A Lovefraud reader using the name Dawn H posted the following comment quite awhile ago. At the end of her story, she brings up important questions.
My ex and I grew up in the same small town. We were like Barbie and Ken”¦expected to marry and live happily ever after. I watched him grow from a very nice guy into a predator and a very evil person in just a few years. After our child was born he started a new wonderful job in a bank and quickly climbed the ladder to success. I put him through law school as he became distant and harsh and wouldn’t touch me. I found out he was bragging at work about secretaries’ children being his. One of his secretaries divorced her husband to sneak around with mine in sleazy motels and the whole time he was telling her that I carried a gun in my diaper bag, etc. I met and befriended her, she started fainting at work, they both got fired, and she moved away. He begged and cried and we did major counseling for a year and I dropped the divorce proceedings thinking he was well.
Over the next two or three years he was nice and took my calls at work, came home for supper, etc, but gradually grew distant and harsh again. I found out in ’04 that he had a 10-12 yr affair with another secretary from his new position as COO of a publicly traded banking company AND a woman in every port city from here to Beijing. He had been hiding his money all this time, so that when he was caught he would not have to share. He bought all his mistresses suits, jewelry, even paid for one’s house, while I had to pay utilities, my own food, my own insurance, car payment”¦everything from my teacher salary. He kept me literally broke while he was making almost half a million per yr and telling me we had no money because he was reinvesting it all in the company. If I wanted 200 for Christmas presents, he made me postdate a check for January, and he wouldn’t let go of his check until I let go of mine.
There was no intimacy for more than 15 yrs. He lied all day every day, but the strange thing was that he turned very dark. He would leave butcher knives out on the counter facing the stairs where I came down in the morning. I found out his mistress was the one who had been phone stalking me for 7 or 8 yrs, and their phone records were like 25 or 30 calls to each other every day, even though they worked side by side. At the same time he had many other young mistresses and kept them all ignorant of each other. After he was caught and we separated, he cried and became perfect all over again for a year counseling, then got caught at a sleazy motel with someone again.
I could tell that someone was breaking into my house while I was at the gym. He brought me Ultimate Woman vitamin pills with the seal broken and some missing! I found an empty Viagra box in his vanity drawer. This guy has 150 IQ. Someone was hacking into my bank records online, and I left tape recorders at the house to see what was going on there while I was out. On the phone from the house to women, he sounded like a dirty old man, talking naughty and naked and nasty. I wouldn’t have believed it was him. One day he would cry and hug the stuffing out of me apologizing, and the next day he was rude and hateful and couldn’t remember he had apologized. I knew my life was in danger and I had to change the locks etc. I had to tape record every conversation during separation and divorce proceedings, because he lied so much to attorneys, etc, that you couldn’t prove anything without recordings.
He had NO concern for our son’s feelings in any of this. The mistresses’ children grew up with him sneaking in through the fence to sleep with mommy, and the first one’s kids were calling him Daddy too. He found out this mistress aborted his child, and he doesn’t care. He told me one time during the proceedings “the girlfriend knows I do what I want and I get what I want, and she’s fine with that.” Children’s feelings are unimportant, but he is wining and dining our son now, like we’re in a contest ”¦ climbing the pyramids in Egypt ”¦ took him to the Great Wall of China ”¦ fly fishing in the Grand Canyon, etc. Bought a barge and stocks it with bongs and booze for my son’s friends, etc. No regard for the kids ”¦ it’s all about him and winning.
My interest in cases like this is, where do you draw the line? When do you bring in the attorneys and police and IRS? What about the children? If he’s been hiding money for years in other countries, are you just supposed to forget and forgive and move on? I’ve had the hardest time with that. God is so good to me, but when I start to recall all the craziness, I get shaky and lose sleep and I just can’t really go there anymore. I want to protect others from this victimization and I don’t want to be vindictive, but then again, I don’t want him hurting other young women. I would not doubt that he might be one of these trafficking guys. Did you know most of the WORLD’S trafficking is financed by middle-aged American businessmen? We need to wake up and do something quickly. This American businessman/ sociopath/ narcissist/ predator thing is getting out of hand.
Dawn H’s story is terrible. Most people would say the story is shocking, but that’s because most people are ignorant about sociopaths. All of us here at Lovefraud know that stories like Dawn’s are much more common than the uninitiated realize.
The man Dawn H described is clearly hurting many people—Dawn, her son, the bevy of mistresses, the mistresses’ kids, even American taxpayers, since the guy is hiding his money. He may even be complicit in the sordid the sex trade.
Whether our stories are as bad as Dawn’s or not, many of us ask ourselves the same questions that she asked at the end of her email: How do we respond?
We all have to find our own answers to the question. Following are the points and issues to consider. For the sake of convenience I am referring to the sociopaths as male, but they could be female as well.
Now vs. later
When we first realize what the sociopath was actually doing, that everything he told us was a lie, that we were exploited, our emotions are at a full boil. We are traumatized, disillusioned, furious, scared. We want to strike back. We want to tell the world that he is a liar. We wonder how we are going to survive. Our emotions rage back and forth between outrage and fear, worry and determination.
At this point, we need to prioritize. We need to figure out what we MUST do now, and what can wait, in fact, what MUST wait, until later.
Survival
The most important variable in deciding how to proceed is the possibility of violence. The best predictor of future violence is past violence. If the sociopath has been violent in the past—even if it wasn’t directed towards you—you must assume that he could be violent in the future, and you may be the target.
If you (and your children) are in physical danger, you need to do whatever will protect your safety. If the sociopath has committed crimes for which he is likely to be arrested and jailed, report them. But if his offenses are such that authorities are likely to regard them as a case of “he said-she said,” or he’s likely to get out on bail and come after you—well, it may be better not to poke the hornet’s nest.
Your first priority is survival. As long as you are alive, everything else can be addressed later.
Stability
Your second priority is stability. Many of us have been financially wiped out by the sociopaths. If you’re in this position, you need to take steps to insure your economic survival. If you’re married to the sociopath, and financially entangled, you need to figure out the best way to disengage that is healthiest for you in the long run.
In considering how far to go after the sociopath legally, here are questions to ask yourself:
- Does he have any assets? Does he have a job? Does he have documented income? If there is no money, there may be nothing to gain.
- Do you have proof of his money? If not, can you get it?
- Can you afford a legal battle? If not, perhaps you should just walk away.
- Can he afford a legal battle? Does he have a history of filing lawsuits? If he does, he’s likely to relish going to court, and will drag out the proceedings, costing you money.
- Do you have children with him? If yes, one of these two scenarios is likely: Either he will abandon his responsibilities and fail to pay child support, or he will maintain contact and use the children as pawns to torment you.
Your ultimate goal should be to get rid of the sociopath and move on with your life. Any financial or legal actions you take against him should support that goal.
Emotional recovery
An experience with a sociopath leaves us feeling like we’ve been through a meat grinder. Anger, disappointment, shame, guilt, fear, outrage, even numbness—we probably cycle through all of them.
It’s exhausting.
We need to find our peace of mind. For some of us, it may be the first time that we consciously pursue peace of mind. Many of us were filled with vulnerability and turmoil, which attracted the sociopaths in the first place.
In deciding how far to go after the sociopath, therefore, we must also consider our emotional recovery. Lovefraud’s standard advice for recovery from the sociopath is No Contact—not having any interaction at all with him. No conversations. No phone calls. No email. No in-person encounters.
Going after the sociopath may entail some kind of contact. If you go to court, you’ll have to deal with him. If you want to expose him on the Internet, you may need to monitor his Facebook page. This means, as we say on Lovefraud, you are “renting him space in your head.” Thinking about the sociopath is a form of contact.
On the other hand, going after him may be important to your emotional recovery. By doing it, you are not allowing him to walk all over you. Standing up to him may benefit your self-esteem, and allow you to recover your identity.
Only you know what you need.
Making the sociopath accountable
Personally, I think it’s important to do what you can to make the sociopath accountable for his destructive actions. BUT you may want to think carefully about WHEN and HOW you take action.
If you have evidence that the sociopath committed a crime, report him to the authorities. Maybe the crime you report isn’t prosecuted, but it could help establish his pattern of behavior if another person reports a crime.
If, like many Lovefraud readers, you don’t want the sociopath to do to someone else what he did to you, you may want to warn the next victim, or expose the sociopath. I’ve written previously on both of these topics:
Letters to Lovefraud: Should I warn the next victim?
Perhaps you can’t take action against the sociopath right away because you need to attend to your own safety, stability and recovery. But maybe, when you are stronger, you can do something to stop the exploitative behavior.
Sociopaths get away with their immoral, unethical and sometimes criminal behavior because people do not stand up to them. So I think that when we can do so safely, we should speak up and take action. Sociopaths will continue their destructive behavior until they are stopped.
Hosanna,
I like the research done by Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen about autism and the lack of empathy….he is one of the primary researchers about autism and the autism spectrum…his book, “The Science of Evil” will be helpful I think in looking at both autism and psychopathy because BOTH have diminished levels of empathy as his research points out.
While Kathleen Hawk’s experience with a son who has Aspergers gives her experience from a hands on view, the hard scientific research IS actually on going, and making some pretty good strides in finding out what is going on from the perspective of the people with one level or another of this disorder.
Environment does have some effects on ALL of us, even identical twins with identical DNA do not have totally identical environments, even inside the womb, one child will have the placenta attached better than the others’ so it will not be absolutely identical, and environment also influences how our brain grows and develops and the chemical and physical pathways inside the brains.
Genetics plays a big part in much of our development, both physically and mentally and emotionally, as well as environment. So we are all a mixture of both our Genetics and our environment.
Dr. Baron-Cohen calls an autistic person with severe empathy problems “Zero Positive” and a psychopath with severe empathy problems as “zero negative” because the autistic person may not have much empathy but they also do not seem to enjoy hurting others where the psychopath without empathy also seems to ENJOY hurting others. the “duping delight” (can’t remember who coined that term) experienced by the psychopaths when they “win” or “con” another person is different from the responses of an autistic person.
Several mental illnesses and conditions seem to also go along with or be commonly found in psychopaths, such as bi-polar, ADHD, and left handedness. It is also fairly common for a person with psychopathy to have all the above conditions.
Dawn H:
In a strange way, your ex has made your going after him easier. If he has climbed the ladder at the bank, I can almost guarantee that a large part of his compensation is restricted bank stock. That means your lawyer will be able to get an accurate accounting and will know right where to serve the QDRO (qualified domestic relations order) which divvies up the assets. I am similarly sure that there are probably 401k and thrift plans be is provided at work, and possibly a deferred salary account. Again, your lawyer will know where to go. Also, many banks require their employees to use a designated broker dealer for securities trades and to file their monthly brokerage statements with the bank’s compliance officer. If the bank owns the broker dealer, this is a given.
Besides the obvious assets, your ex should be very afraid. All it will take is a few calls to the bank’s primary regulator (state chartering authority or the OCC for national banks) and the FDIC. Since the bank is publicly traded, I suspect it is held by a holding company. That means the Federal REserve oversees them. As jaded as we’ve all become after the 2008 meltdown, trust me when I say that all these regulators take allegations of malfeasance, fraud, tax fraud and other nefarious doings very seriously. If your ex wants to play hardball, grab your bat and hit back. Contact the regulators with your suspicions. If you’ve got documentation to back it up, so much the better. Banks can’t afford to have executives like him on staff – if for no other reason, they don’t want the headaches that executive brings to the bank. So, by virtue of what he does for a living, you’ve got him by the balls. Trust me on this one. I prosecute these guys for the feds.
Oh, yes. And if you don’t think he’s been playing fair and square with the IRS, you can approach the IRS and get innocent spouse protection. If they think that he’s been committing fraud, they can go backwards and audit as far as they think they need to — it ain’t just 7 years when they think there’s tax fraud involved. Innocent spouse gets you off the hook for the taxes that may be owed.
Just a few thoughts. Good luck.
Matt,, you are a wonderful resource! Thanks for addressing Dawn’s situation…. your legal eagle knowledge is a godsend for the innocent spouses involved with these arses!
Hope you and a good turkey day and all is well with you and your main squeeze! I’m so happy that things have worked out so well for you!
I tried and tried to end an 18 month long distance relationship with one. Every time he threated to send copies of all the emails and pictures we’d exchanged to my very Catholic boss. Who I know would have been horrified and probably would have ended my employment. So I would talk to the BF again and he would act like nothing ever happened. He told me his best friend is a former famous movie star. When the threats started, she would send me emails saying she paid F. Lee Bailey a $50,000 retainer to pay me back for breaking up with her friend. I found out he was placing and answering sex ads on Craigs List, for men and women, and now I think he has been married the whole time too. I finally had to call the police chief in his town and send him copies of all the email threats. He called the BF and had a nice conversation with him. Since then the contact has stopped other than constantly bashing me on forums. He even placed a Craigs List ad using my full name saying my ex BF thought I was terrible in bed and I needed someone to make me feel better. I had that ad removed in less than 5 minutes. Changed my phone # and cancelled all my email addresses. I designed a forum for him, I would get email notifications of all the posts and also could get into analytics. All the IP addresses for different people were the same as his. So I think he had a whole imaginary group of friends posting. In the spring I am planning on relocating to another state. So……I say in the spring it’s time for payback since he won’t be able to find me. I kept email addresses of everyone he has had contact with, including his wife and other girlfriends and an entire email directory of everyone in his office all across the state. He’s a realtor. I think it’s time to let everyone know what he is. I also found out he’s been in federal prison for threatening to blow up a building and kill some man. I have those articles from the newspaper and also the link to the federal prison records. I think as much hell as he’s put me through, it would be the least I could do. Beside, that’s exactly what he was threatening me with. I am taking back control of my life now. 🙂
Dear BunnyWabbit,
You go girlfriend! Yea the love bomb and if that doesn’t work to make you love them they will THREATEN you….yea that should sure make you love them!
Glad you are free from this creep now, and glad you have enough stuff on him to make his life the hell it deserves to be.
Funny how they forget about all that stuff…amazing what you can find out on line, or with a small payment to a private investigator.
MATT?
What about other taxes, such as payroll taxes? Can a person claim innocent spouse in that case too?
While I insisted we follow employment laws, and gave each employee the forms, in reality I suspect my husband took the easy route and convinced employees to take pay without deductions, they get more takehome. I do not have access to bank records (he moved our biz account to another bank under his name only.) or accounting (he set up using an accounting system that I didn’t know, and he kept the records in a locked storage, which I did not have the key, and I didn’t have a key to his office either.) All our employees were his buds, they didn’t like me, and he had an affair with one who lied to my face when I asked if she turned in forms but she is the one who will claim social security when the time comes.
Ox Drover,
I have screen shots of the Craigs List ads showing full nude pics of him. Easily identifiable. lol. And more than one, I have several. I have such a relief that creep is out of my life. He made me a nervous wreck for months. I just think that I may need to give Karma a little bit of assistance. I hate stooping to his level, but sometimes a girl’s gotta do what a girl’s gotta do. 🙂 You know, you can search on Google and Yahoo by entering their email addresses. If they are on a forum, posts will show up in the searches. I found out mine was on a BBW dating network advertising for women 250+ lbs. I’m a size 3. hmmmmmmmmmm.
Dear Bunnywabbit,
Maybe you just weren’t “his type!” LOL Let’s see—not a crook, check, not a black mailer, check, not a pervert, check…yea, you just weren’t his type at all.
IF you can give Karma a boost safely then by all means DO SO. But keep in mind when you do that sometimes these turds can become dangerous when they get a “narcissistic injury” to their cover. So just be careful, but if you can safely do it, then bingo, go for it…let him have it with both barrels and then kick him in the teeth to boot!
This is a horrible story.
I’m speechless.
Yes, we get used to stories like this here in this group, but to some degree, I haven’t managed to be completely numb. This one just hurt to read. And that woman doesn’t seem angry yet. She seems so timid still. I want to get mad on her behalf and start yelling, “Don’t you know that you don’t deserve this!?!?!?” She knows, but she’s been putting up with it so long, like we all did. Always hoping for better.
Is she in LF?
Matt. Great post, my spath was a banker, I could have used your advice. Im trying to find dawns thread that you were responding to. I can’t find it. Can you please post a link?
Thanks Athena
P.s. I think my banker spath took his money abd bought bars of gold. A physical commodity. Was that to avoid the banking regulators from seeing his wealth?I think he kept them in his basement.