A Lovefraud reader using the name Dawn H posted the following comment quite awhile ago. At the end of her story, she brings up important questions.
My ex and I grew up in the same small town. We were like Barbie and Ken”¦expected to marry and live happily ever after. I watched him grow from a very nice guy into a predator and a very evil person in just a few years. After our child was born he started a new wonderful job in a bank and quickly climbed the ladder to success. I put him through law school as he became distant and harsh and wouldn’t touch me. I found out he was bragging at work about secretaries’ children being his. One of his secretaries divorced her husband to sneak around with mine in sleazy motels and the whole time he was telling her that I carried a gun in my diaper bag, etc. I met and befriended her, she started fainting at work, they both got fired, and she moved away. He begged and cried and we did major counseling for a year and I dropped the divorce proceedings thinking he was well.
Over the next two or three years he was nice and took my calls at work, came home for supper, etc, but gradually grew distant and harsh again. I found out in ’04 that he had a 10-12 yr affair with another secretary from his new position as COO of a publicly traded banking company AND a woman in every port city from here to Beijing. He had been hiding his money all this time, so that when he was caught he would not have to share. He bought all his mistresses suits, jewelry, even paid for one’s house, while I had to pay utilities, my own food, my own insurance, car payment”¦everything from my teacher salary. He kept me literally broke while he was making almost half a million per yr and telling me we had no money because he was reinvesting it all in the company. If I wanted 200 for Christmas presents, he made me postdate a check for January, and he wouldn’t let go of his check until I let go of mine.
There was no intimacy for more than 15 yrs. He lied all day every day, but the strange thing was that he turned very dark. He would leave butcher knives out on the counter facing the stairs where I came down in the morning. I found out his mistress was the one who had been phone stalking me for 7 or 8 yrs, and their phone records were like 25 or 30 calls to each other every day, even though they worked side by side. At the same time he had many other young mistresses and kept them all ignorant of each other. After he was caught and we separated, he cried and became perfect all over again for a year counseling, then got caught at a sleazy motel with someone again.
I could tell that someone was breaking into my house while I was at the gym. He brought me Ultimate Woman vitamin pills with the seal broken and some missing! I found an empty Viagra box in his vanity drawer. This guy has 150 IQ. Someone was hacking into my bank records online, and I left tape recorders at the house to see what was going on there while I was out. On the phone from the house to women, he sounded like a dirty old man, talking naughty and naked and nasty. I wouldn’t have believed it was him. One day he would cry and hug the stuffing out of me apologizing, and the next day he was rude and hateful and couldn’t remember he had apologized. I knew my life was in danger and I had to change the locks etc. I had to tape record every conversation during separation and divorce proceedings, because he lied so much to attorneys, etc, that you couldn’t prove anything without recordings.
He had NO concern for our son’s feelings in any of this. The mistresses’ children grew up with him sneaking in through the fence to sleep with mommy, and the first one’s kids were calling him Daddy too. He found out this mistress aborted his child, and he doesn’t care. He told me one time during the proceedings “the girlfriend knows I do what I want and I get what I want, and she’s fine with that.” Children’s feelings are unimportant, but he is wining and dining our son now, like we’re in a contest ”¦ climbing the pyramids in Egypt ”¦ took him to the Great Wall of China ”¦ fly fishing in the Grand Canyon, etc. Bought a barge and stocks it with bongs and booze for my son’s friends, etc. No regard for the kids ”¦ it’s all about him and winning.
My interest in cases like this is, where do you draw the line? When do you bring in the attorneys and police and IRS? What about the children? If he’s been hiding money for years in other countries, are you just supposed to forget and forgive and move on? I’ve had the hardest time with that. God is so good to me, but when I start to recall all the craziness, I get shaky and lose sleep and I just can’t really go there anymore. I want to protect others from this victimization and I don’t want to be vindictive, but then again, I don’t want him hurting other young women. I would not doubt that he might be one of these trafficking guys. Did you know most of the WORLD’S trafficking is financed by middle-aged American businessmen? We need to wake up and do something quickly. This American businessman/ sociopath/ narcissist/ predator thing is getting out of hand.
Dawn H’s story is terrible. Most people would say the story is shocking, but that’s because most people are ignorant about sociopaths. All of us here at Lovefraud know that stories like Dawn’s are much more common than the uninitiated realize.
The man Dawn H described is clearly hurting many people—Dawn, her son, the bevy of mistresses, the mistresses’ kids, even American taxpayers, since the guy is hiding his money. He may even be complicit in the sordid the sex trade.
Whether our stories are as bad as Dawn’s or not, many of us ask ourselves the same questions that she asked at the end of her email: How do we respond?
We all have to find our own answers to the question. Following are the points and issues to consider. For the sake of convenience I am referring to the sociopaths as male, but they could be female as well.
Now vs. later
When we first realize what the sociopath was actually doing, that everything he told us was a lie, that we were exploited, our emotions are at a full boil. We are traumatized, disillusioned, furious, scared. We want to strike back. We want to tell the world that he is a liar. We wonder how we are going to survive. Our emotions rage back and forth between outrage and fear, worry and determination.
At this point, we need to prioritize. We need to figure out what we MUST do now, and what can wait, in fact, what MUST wait, until later.
Survival
The most important variable in deciding how to proceed is the possibility of violence. The best predictor of future violence is past violence. If the sociopath has been violent in the past—even if it wasn’t directed towards you—you must assume that he could be violent in the future, and you may be the target.
If you (and your children) are in physical danger, you need to do whatever will protect your safety. If the sociopath has committed crimes for which he is likely to be arrested and jailed, report them. But if his offenses are such that authorities are likely to regard them as a case of “he said-she said,” or he’s likely to get out on bail and come after you—well, it may be better not to poke the hornet’s nest.
Your first priority is survival. As long as you are alive, everything else can be addressed later.
Stability
Your second priority is stability. Many of us have been financially wiped out by the sociopaths. If you’re in this position, you need to take steps to insure your economic survival. If you’re married to the sociopath, and financially entangled, you need to figure out the best way to disengage that is healthiest for you in the long run.
In considering how far to go after the sociopath legally, here are questions to ask yourself:
- Does he have any assets? Does he have a job? Does he have documented income? If there is no money, there may be nothing to gain.
- Do you have proof of his money? If not, can you get it?
- Can you afford a legal battle? If not, perhaps you should just walk away.
- Can he afford a legal battle? Does he have a history of filing lawsuits? If he does, he’s likely to relish going to court, and will drag out the proceedings, costing you money.
- Do you have children with him? If yes, one of these two scenarios is likely: Either he will abandon his responsibilities and fail to pay child support, or he will maintain contact and use the children as pawns to torment you.
Your ultimate goal should be to get rid of the sociopath and move on with your life. Any financial or legal actions you take against him should support that goal.
Emotional recovery
An experience with a sociopath leaves us feeling like we’ve been through a meat grinder. Anger, disappointment, shame, guilt, fear, outrage, even numbness—we probably cycle through all of them.
It’s exhausting.
We need to find our peace of mind. For some of us, it may be the first time that we consciously pursue peace of mind. Many of us were filled with vulnerability and turmoil, which attracted the sociopaths in the first place.
In deciding how far to go after the sociopath, therefore, we must also consider our emotional recovery. Lovefraud’s standard advice for recovery from the sociopath is No Contact—not having any interaction at all with him. No conversations. No phone calls. No email. No in-person encounters.
Going after the sociopath may entail some kind of contact. If you go to court, you’ll have to deal with him. If you want to expose him on the Internet, you may need to monitor his Facebook page. This means, as we say on Lovefraud, you are “renting him space in your head.” Thinking about the sociopath is a form of contact.
On the other hand, going after him may be important to your emotional recovery. By doing it, you are not allowing him to walk all over you. Standing up to him may benefit your self-esteem, and allow you to recover your identity.
Only you know what you need.
Making the sociopath accountable
Personally, I think it’s important to do what you can to make the sociopath accountable for his destructive actions. BUT you may want to think carefully about WHEN and HOW you take action.
If you have evidence that the sociopath committed a crime, report him to the authorities. Maybe the crime you report isn’t prosecuted, but it could help establish his pattern of behavior if another person reports a crime.
If, like many Lovefraud readers, you don’t want the sociopath to do to someone else what he did to you, you may want to warn the next victim, or expose the sociopath. I’ve written previously on both of these topics:
Letters to Lovefraud: Should I warn the next victim?
Perhaps you can’t take action against the sociopath right away because you need to attend to your own safety, stability and recovery. But maybe, when you are stronger, you can do something to stop the exploitative behavior.
Sociopaths get away with their immoral, unethical and sometimes criminal behavior because people do not stand up to them. So I think that when we can do so safely, we should speak up and take action. Sociopaths will continue their destructive behavior until they are stopped.
sky – there is no ‘substitute’. all religions or ‘recognized’ spiritual paths have different ways and goals. (the first time i heard a buddhist guy i knew say, ‘i have no soul’ – it freaked me out…but in his case…. 😉 .
i suspect you are right about this desire in beings for a unification theory. mine has had large holes blasted in it. it’s all in a bit of a pile yet.
what i do believe in, what gives me a sense of beauty and rightness is my experience of nature – i murmured this in my moms ear last week as she lay clutching me and trembling, lost and found in delirium : ‘yes, life is hard and difficult beyond comprehension, but we had the wind, the trees, the water….’
everything else for me, is shattered.
One,
shattered is hard. That’s where I’ve been with the spath, but it’s a GREAT starting point!
yup 🙂
it’s hard, but it’s real.
i do have a glimmer that something new and right for now will rise out of that heap eventually; and i will have worked darned hard for it.
i had a very long conversation with a buddhist friend the other night that really helped me to clarify some things. i articulated a lot of concerns that i hadn’t before – things i have thought about for years.
i also understand how easy it was for the n and spath to smash me and break my path because of these unaddressed concerns – concerns i tried to have addressed for years, but was never able to get answers about, and things THAT NO ONE WAS ACCOUNTABLE FOR. oh yay….
peace out. late here. tomorrow is another day in spathlike work land, and i think it’s gonna be a hard 1.
SurvivorAgain, Good stuff on here! You know, for me it was a long time before I truly GOT the concept that there are those who truly do not feel. I guess you could say I was at war with my own beliefs=cognitive dissonance.
But I learned. Acceptance was very hard. I always believed there is good in everyone, but I now believe there are those who are simply evil. The ex spath was a stalker and I had restraining orders as well that he ignored. Now, I wouldn’t even THINK of going against the law, so I couldn’t understand how he could. I started calling the police every single time he broke the order. I didn’t let up. On one occasion, I woke up at 4AM and watched him drag my gas grill down the driveway and put it in his car. And YUP, I called the police. 3 hours later, the police were in front of my house again, with my grill in the trunk of the squad car surrounded by the yellow tape they use. That’s one heck of a scene my neighbors saw when they woke up! And the spath was in jail, once again. The more I called, the more they paid attention.
Spath consequently went to jail for 6 months, just for breaking the order so many times. By calling every single time he was within 100 yards of me, the police got MY message: I will NOT LET UP. Do your job and arrest this idiot! BTW, the original order was for domestic violence.
Ox, I agree. I still have these people try to come into my life, but I spot them very quickly now and it’s NC for me as well.
Love & Laughter,
Cat
one/joy, it’s so good to see that your still here and sharing. “Smash me and break my path.” Great way to describe how they can wreck our lives.
Louise: I do not know why he got fired? He had the dream job, making $185K base, and a 20% bonus tied to his compensation. Eleventh person in a company that now has 250+ employees. The company is now positioned to go public. He had options as well. EVERYTHING and blew it.
Got fired from the job previous to that one too. I do not know why. These two were in the middle of the divorce.
Prior to that, he was not fired. However, the company was relocating to the west coast. He was not given the same relocation package as everyone else. He was told that he was not well liked b the bosses. He did find another job, but was no angry that he put a “back door” into the computer systems and said that he would show them and he could now get into the system anytime he wanted and could trash the system anytime he wanted. Very vengeful. I never would have thought this behavior would have been used on me.
Cat: Great stuff on this site. Yes, this is better than therapy and free. I am really learning alot. I am so very grateful that I am out of there.
Survivoragain,
One of the things I learned about people in general (psychopaths in particular) is if they will be dishonest with X, they will be dishonest with Y….and so if the person will cheat WITH you, they will also CHEAT ON you…..if they will steal from anyone, they will steal from you as well!
If they steal from you once, don’t give them a second chance to steal from you again.
If they show a pattern of chaos, or irresponsibility, they will not become responsible….if they lie and lie and lie to others, don’t expect the truth from them to suddenly surface with you.
After I started dating my Psychopathic (now X) BF, I found out he had cheated on his x wife for the entire 32 years of their marriage, but some how I figured he would NOT CHEAT ON ME! DUH???? LOL ROTFLMAO so when it started and I saw evidence of it, I tried to NOT believe it, but you know, I am fortunate that I realized it before I married him. I feel sorry for the woman he married because I know he is treating her like shiat!
Ox: I just did not connect the dots…. I did not think he would do it to me. I was his wife. I took my marriage very seriously and he knew it. He knew that I would stay because of it. I finally left, and when I did. He could not believe it. He begged, tried to “buy” me and when that did not work, he became the most vindictive person I could have every imagined.
Keep me in your thoughts. Have to go back to court again soon. Will explain later. Dinner time.
Dear Survivor,
That is one of the things they do, they try to “love bomb” (convince you nicely) you need to do what they want and if that doesn’t work, then they PUNISH YOU…damned if you do, damned if you don’t!
That punishing behavior may extent up to killing you if you don’t do what they want….sometimes they will bankrupt you, beat you, or even kill you if they can’t get you to do their bidding….it amazes me the EXTENTS they will go to get “even” or “get revenge” for not going along with their plans.
Hang in there and good luck when you go back to court. The “legal abuse syndrome” (There is a book here on LF store of that name) is where they use the legal system to continue their abuse. Many LF posters are veterans of that Legal war. Sounds like you are too. God bless.
SuvivorAgain:
That sounds like mine too as far as the monetary compensation. But mine is very smart (I’m not saying yours isn’t)…he knows how to not get fired. He knows that if he loses that job, he loses everything. And he doesn’t want that to happen. He will do whatever it takes to keep it and keep charming everyone. Very solid mask.