A Lovefraud reader using the name Dawn H posted the following comment quite awhile ago. At the end of her story, she brings up important questions.
My ex and I grew up in the same small town. We were like Barbie and Ken”¦expected to marry and live happily ever after. I watched him grow from a very nice guy into a predator and a very evil person in just a few years. After our child was born he started a new wonderful job in a bank and quickly climbed the ladder to success. I put him through law school as he became distant and harsh and wouldn’t touch me. I found out he was bragging at work about secretaries’ children being his. One of his secretaries divorced her husband to sneak around with mine in sleazy motels and the whole time he was telling her that I carried a gun in my diaper bag, etc. I met and befriended her, she started fainting at work, they both got fired, and she moved away. He begged and cried and we did major counseling for a year and I dropped the divorce proceedings thinking he was well.
Over the next two or three years he was nice and took my calls at work, came home for supper, etc, but gradually grew distant and harsh again. I found out in ’04 that he had a 10-12 yr affair with another secretary from his new position as COO of a publicly traded banking company AND a woman in every port city from here to Beijing. He had been hiding his money all this time, so that when he was caught he would not have to share. He bought all his mistresses suits, jewelry, even paid for one’s house, while I had to pay utilities, my own food, my own insurance, car payment”¦everything from my teacher salary. He kept me literally broke while he was making almost half a million per yr and telling me we had no money because he was reinvesting it all in the company. If I wanted 200 for Christmas presents, he made me postdate a check for January, and he wouldn’t let go of his check until I let go of mine.
There was no intimacy for more than 15 yrs. He lied all day every day, but the strange thing was that he turned very dark. He would leave butcher knives out on the counter facing the stairs where I came down in the morning. I found out his mistress was the one who had been phone stalking me for 7 or 8 yrs, and their phone records were like 25 or 30 calls to each other every day, even though they worked side by side. At the same time he had many other young mistresses and kept them all ignorant of each other. After he was caught and we separated, he cried and became perfect all over again for a year counseling, then got caught at a sleazy motel with someone again.
I could tell that someone was breaking into my house while I was at the gym. He brought me Ultimate Woman vitamin pills with the seal broken and some missing! I found an empty Viagra box in his vanity drawer. This guy has 150 IQ. Someone was hacking into my bank records online, and I left tape recorders at the house to see what was going on there while I was out. On the phone from the house to women, he sounded like a dirty old man, talking naughty and naked and nasty. I wouldn’t have believed it was him. One day he would cry and hug the stuffing out of me apologizing, and the next day he was rude and hateful and couldn’t remember he had apologized. I knew my life was in danger and I had to change the locks etc. I had to tape record every conversation during separation and divorce proceedings, because he lied so much to attorneys, etc, that you couldn’t prove anything without recordings.
He had NO concern for our son’s feelings in any of this. The mistresses’ children grew up with him sneaking in through the fence to sleep with mommy, and the first one’s kids were calling him Daddy too. He found out this mistress aborted his child, and he doesn’t care. He told me one time during the proceedings “the girlfriend knows I do what I want and I get what I want, and she’s fine with that.” Children’s feelings are unimportant, but he is wining and dining our son now, like we’re in a contest ”¦ climbing the pyramids in Egypt ”¦ took him to the Great Wall of China ”¦ fly fishing in the Grand Canyon, etc. Bought a barge and stocks it with bongs and booze for my son’s friends, etc. No regard for the kids ”¦ it’s all about him and winning.
My interest in cases like this is, where do you draw the line? When do you bring in the attorneys and police and IRS? What about the children? If he’s been hiding money for years in other countries, are you just supposed to forget and forgive and move on? I’ve had the hardest time with that. God is so good to me, but when I start to recall all the craziness, I get shaky and lose sleep and I just can’t really go there anymore. I want to protect others from this victimization and I don’t want to be vindictive, but then again, I don’t want him hurting other young women. I would not doubt that he might be one of these trafficking guys. Did you know most of the WORLD’S trafficking is financed by middle-aged American businessmen? We need to wake up and do something quickly. This American businessman/ sociopath/ narcissist/ predator thing is getting out of hand.
Dawn H’s story is terrible. Most people would say the story is shocking, but that’s because most people are ignorant about sociopaths. All of us here at Lovefraud know that stories like Dawn’s are much more common than the uninitiated realize.
The man Dawn H described is clearly hurting many people—Dawn, her son, the bevy of mistresses, the mistresses’ kids, even American taxpayers, since the guy is hiding his money. He may even be complicit in the sordid the sex trade.
Whether our stories are as bad as Dawn’s or not, many of us ask ourselves the same questions that she asked at the end of her email: How do we respond?
We all have to find our own answers to the question. Following are the points and issues to consider. For the sake of convenience I am referring to the sociopaths as male, but they could be female as well.
Now vs. later
When we first realize what the sociopath was actually doing, that everything he told us was a lie, that we were exploited, our emotions are at a full boil. We are traumatized, disillusioned, furious, scared. We want to strike back. We want to tell the world that he is a liar. We wonder how we are going to survive. Our emotions rage back and forth between outrage and fear, worry and determination.
At this point, we need to prioritize. We need to figure out what we MUST do now, and what can wait, in fact, what MUST wait, until later.
Survival
The most important variable in deciding how to proceed is the possibility of violence. The best predictor of future violence is past violence. If the sociopath has been violent in the past—even if it wasn’t directed towards you—you must assume that he could be violent in the future, and you may be the target.
If you (and your children) are in physical danger, you need to do whatever will protect your safety. If the sociopath has committed crimes for which he is likely to be arrested and jailed, report them. But if his offenses are such that authorities are likely to regard them as a case of “he said-she said,” or he’s likely to get out on bail and come after you—well, it may be better not to poke the hornet’s nest.
Your first priority is survival. As long as you are alive, everything else can be addressed later.
Stability
Your second priority is stability. Many of us have been financially wiped out by the sociopaths. If you’re in this position, you need to take steps to insure your economic survival. If you’re married to the sociopath, and financially entangled, you need to figure out the best way to disengage that is healthiest for you in the long run.
In considering how far to go after the sociopath legally, here are questions to ask yourself:
- Does he have any assets? Does he have a job? Does he have documented income? If there is no money, there may be nothing to gain.
- Do you have proof of his money? If not, can you get it?
- Can you afford a legal battle? If not, perhaps you should just walk away.
- Can he afford a legal battle? Does he have a history of filing lawsuits? If he does, he’s likely to relish going to court, and will drag out the proceedings, costing you money.
- Do you have children with him? If yes, one of these two scenarios is likely: Either he will abandon his responsibilities and fail to pay child support, or he will maintain contact and use the children as pawns to torment you.
Your ultimate goal should be to get rid of the sociopath and move on with your life. Any financial or legal actions you take against him should support that goal.
Emotional recovery
An experience with a sociopath leaves us feeling like we’ve been through a meat grinder. Anger, disappointment, shame, guilt, fear, outrage, even numbness—we probably cycle through all of them.
It’s exhausting.
We need to find our peace of mind. For some of us, it may be the first time that we consciously pursue peace of mind. Many of us were filled with vulnerability and turmoil, which attracted the sociopaths in the first place.
In deciding how far to go after the sociopath, therefore, we must also consider our emotional recovery. Lovefraud’s standard advice for recovery from the sociopath is No Contact—not having any interaction at all with him. No conversations. No phone calls. No email. No in-person encounters.
Going after the sociopath may entail some kind of contact. If you go to court, you’ll have to deal with him. If you want to expose him on the Internet, you may need to monitor his Facebook page. This means, as we say on Lovefraud, you are “renting him space in your head.” Thinking about the sociopath is a form of contact.
On the other hand, going after him may be important to your emotional recovery. By doing it, you are not allowing him to walk all over you. Standing up to him may benefit your self-esteem, and allow you to recover your identity.
Only you know what you need.
Making the sociopath accountable
Personally, I think it’s important to do what you can to make the sociopath accountable for his destructive actions. BUT you may want to think carefully about WHEN and HOW you take action.
If you have evidence that the sociopath committed a crime, report him to the authorities. Maybe the crime you report isn’t prosecuted, but it could help establish his pattern of behavior if another person reports a crime.
If, like many Lovefraud readers, you don’t want the sociopath to do to someone else what he did to you, you may want to warn the next victim, or expose the sociopath. I’ve written previously on both of these topics:
Letters to Lovefraud: Should I warn the next victim?
Perhaps you can’t take action against the sociopath right away because you need to attend to your own safety, stability and recovery. But maybe, when you are stronger, you can do something to stop the exploitative behavior.
Sociopaths get away with their immoral, unethical and sometimes criminal behavior because people do not stand up to them. So I think that when we can do so safely, we should speak up and take action. Sociopaths will continue their destructive behavior until they are stopped.
OX: Yes, you are correct. They will punish us if we do not comply with their wishes. I have suffered from the “love bomb” too. Best one I heard, and it worked for 10 years, “You can’t divorce me, imagine what it will do to our children”. The guilt I felt was overwhelming. He got me right there.
I will probably have to go back to court in January for his failure to comply with court orders. My attorneys, I hope and pray, know what they are doing. As I write this blog, they are filing documents with the court.
I have been advised by our, not psychologist, but the MD type, that I need to be very very careful for my safety. She has advised me that he is so very unpredictable and she, too, worries about my safety. I am always looking over my shoulder or with someone.
I truly believe that this punishment will continue for the REST OF HIS life, certainly not mine. I just received yet another email from him, even after I blocked out all of his known email addresses. He then creates a new one and sends junk to me. I have gotten really good at completely disengaging. I look at it, and then ignore it.
After the last of these issues are finished, I will close the email account and not give him a new address. Hopefully, that will stop the harassment.
Question for all of you: Even though he does not always pay my alimony, do you all think he will be happier if, at some point I remarry, and then he doesn’t have to pay me anymore, OR
Will he be so furious that I found someone else that he will be vengeful?
I think, if I am blessed enough to find someone, maybe someday, he will be furious because I have moved on and it is concrete.
I very seriously doubt I will ever be able to trust anyone every again.
Louise: My ex is really brillant. He is part of the mensa society. His problem is he cannot get along with people that he works with and does not like to take direction from people. Issues with authority.
Yes, his job is everything to him. It defines who he is. I would love to share with you his LinkedIn sight. You would just laugh. So full of himself. Narcisistic. I don’t think LinkedIn could afford to spare another page of all of his accomplishments listed. So sad that is how they define themselves.
Right now, I think he may have been offered a new job. He has been self-employed for a while. However, I think he may be working for someone soon.
His behavior, now that I am out, at the airport is so laughable. Parading around and expecting everyone to bow to him, since he has a lot of frequent flyer miles. It was so emharassing to travel with him.
For al of you that watched the program Boston Legal. Do you remember Dennie Crain? He would walk into the room, with an attitude and his shoulders back and chest all puffed out. That is exactly how my ex spath behaved. My family still makes fun of him. What a joke.
Question: It has been 3 years since I have been away from him and he still does not have a GF and not that he has not been trying. I guess as we all get a little older, we are wiser and so are alot of other women. Go for us.
I have been thinking about all of the blogs on this site, and now also realize my sister is a spath too. I have kept my distance for about a year now. She is toxic. I stay away.
Need to go. Hope to hear back from you all tonight.
Thank you again for everything. I am so very blessed to be out and have a Christmas without him.
SuvivorAgain:
Mensa, huh? Good for him…haha. Doesn’t sound like it has helped him any.
I would love to see his LinkedIn page…sure wish I could so I could critique him! 🙂
Louise: Wish I could share the spath’s LinkedIn. Not a good idea. What do you think about safety issues? Do you think if any of us, who were married, will ever find anyone we can trust again? I do not think I will — too scared.
Other issue: If I should ever decide to do that again, will the spath come after me, or will the spath be happy since he will not have to pay me, not that it happens anyway, again?
I still worry about my safety.
SuvivorAgain:
I understand about the LinkedIn site. No worries.
Yeah, I think sometimes they hate it when their former partner starts seeing someone else. I think it depends on if he was violent in the past. If he was, I would be afraid. If not, I think you will be safe.
Can’t seem to find the thread anymore where I first posted about the (adopted) grandson who killed his grandmother who raised him after his spath mother (the adopted daughter of the grandmother) neglected him.
He’s been found guilty and gets 30 years. The jury judged the harshest they could (but not safe enough imo). The prosecutor could have asked for life, but first asked for 30 years because of the ‘past neglect’ and then even lowered to 25 years because ‘in this day and age it’s not easy grow up in our complex society and succeed to fulfill the high expectations’ (WTF?!? What kind of reasoning is that?!!!!)
So, the jury wanted to give him max sentence (25 years), and Kevin’s grandiosity and feelings of entitlement did himself in… Kevin Synnaeve said before the sentencing, ‘I don’t care what you decide, BECAUSE NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDGE ME’.
So, they added 5 years to what the prosecutor wanted, giving him 30 years to keep society safe for a while longer. Of course because it ain’t life, he’ll probably will not even do the full 30 years.
This guy rates max on grandiosity, parasitice lifestyle, violence, no remorse, no conscious scales of the pscyhopath test. He should NEVER walk free at all.
Darwinsmom,
I agree with you entirely, the fact that a person had a “hard childhood” is NO excuse and no mitigating factor in my mind at least. There are lots of folks who have HORRIBLE childhoods of abuse and deprivation who come out and are NOT abusive people. It is obvious this kid had a chance….but his genetics over came his environment.
He will NOT “learn” anything positive in prison that’s for sure. The skills that one must learn in order to survive in prison do NOT play well on the outside. A few people come out of prison “improved” but it is in my opinion VERY FEW, and it is in SPITE of prison not because of it.
I’m making an anoloy today on the “pity-past” excuses even the prosecutor used (I think it was strategic choice, to take some wind out of the defender’s sails… and the defence did reason that Kevin couldn’t complain too much) with something I remind myself of each day in class…
Those who missbehave for attention and entitlement get rewarded in some way, whereas those who are NEVER a problem, do not get rewards. I was mostly upset with the reasoning ‘complex society with high expectations’. WTF! We all GROW UP with the same expectations! It’s stressy and complex for EVERYONE including for those who are not a problem and a danger to society! I don’t see my principals and employers use that reasoning to hire and keep staff. Politicians don’t use it when they decide on taxes (and I live in one of the countries where taxation is one of the highest in the world, along with Scandinavia). Let’s just be more lenient on callous murder, because society expects too much from people?!?! Like what? Not kill people?!!!!
Another item in the paper today: the agency regarding car-help asked for some harsh lifelong punishments on the 2750 road cowboys…. the majority of our severe car crashes are done by almost always the same 2750 road cowboys. They argue for a permanent license revokement on these guys. Argues a judge: those guys will drive regardless whether they have a license or not; they won’t heed any judge’s decision. He’s right of course… those drivers WILL NOT comply. BUT it’s not an argument to decide we should not punish them or not make any laws. What kind of bullshit reasoning is that? This judge’s cynical reasoning means that recidivism and people who don’t give a damn about the law is an excuse to stop making criminal law… let’s not demand people not to kill and murder anymore, because we can’t make them comply. Let’s release thieves and not punish them, because they won’t stop thieving (and actually that is already kinda happening). It’s the bankrupcy of our society.
What do I mean in the classroom… The kids who always protest, make noise and disrupt classroom for attention, are always the ones with excuses that are hogwash for not studying and not doing their work IN classroom and outside. The kids who comply, do their work, study and do not disrupt class are also always the same ones. And EVERY time the disrupters manage to create a scene during the tests, exams and class they steal away time, concentration for those others. More and more I’m starting to ignore those problem-making teens, and just write their misbehaviour down for myself and work it in the grades and file it for the school. I used to try and solve it IN the classroom during class. I don’t anymore. It’s UNFAIR to the others who want to learn and get ahead in life.
Tonight on TV on the same channel: Bad Son and Steel Magnolias
Darwinsmom,
I’ve heard that before: the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Teachers have been complaining about class disrupters since the beginning of time I think. And they also are always pleased with the quiet, studious students.
But think back to when you were a kid in class. What did you REALLY think about the class disrupters? I was a quiet kid with good grades, but I really didn’t care much for most classes, I wanted to escape into my books – I was a book-a-holic. The class work wasn’t hard, it was tedious though and when the class clown acted up, it broke the tension and boredom. There was a cathartic moment when he was sent to the principal’s office, then my attention could be reset and I could actually concentrate better! I liked the drama!
Perhaps you might consider watching the body language of the disrupters. When it seems like they are starting to fidget more, it might be a signal that they are going to disrupt. Then you can beat them to the punch with a little break or distraction of your own. A distraction that actually enhances the learning experience.
It’s just a fun thought. I’d love to be a fly on the wall in your class to observe.
Actually that is a good tip during teaching. It doesn’t work for exams right now though… And they disrupt it because they didn’t study and cannot answer the questions, so they start commenting and blaming me. Yesterday I took away the exams of the disrupters (the 15 year olds). They went downstairs huffing and puffing to the principal, claiming it was unfair since others made noise too (in answer to theirs to shut up). It was peaceful and quiet as soon as they left. Someone of guidance and secretary came upstairs and saw they were silent. She asked me whether they would have their papers back. I said ‘no’ and they were not to proceed in their exam anymore, because I had already given them enough warnings and actually had taken awya the exam before of one of them and had given it back under his promise to be silent.
They come upstairs to take their stuff, disrupt the exam again:
– lying the agreement was with the councelor to proceed doing the exam
– I was acting outrageous (‘Do you think this is normal behaviour, Miss?), didn’t I know it was not just a test BUT THEIR EXAM!
I only answered with silence and ignored them until they went away, huffing and puffing again. Well, if the exam is suddenly so important to them, then all they needed to do was be silent. Eventually two others started to disrupt too, so I took their exam away as well. But they left without making a scene.
Then later I heard they had complained downstaris that my exam was TOO DIFFICULT! That it was not in their course. Though one admitted he had NO NOTES, NO BOOK, NADA, which is totally his fault. Of course, some who had not disrupted and had studied went along with the complaints.
While actually the complaints in the classroom to me was that the exam of the part of the teacher I’m replacing (and he made) was too difficult.
So, what happened? They think exam time is 2 more weeks of holidays, of free afternoons, and they don’t study, just like they don’t do much in class. Instead of admitting to themselves and the principals they hope to get away with it, by blaming me, by making a scene. And it’s not fair to the others, who often like them have parents who often cannot guide them in how to study or keep their courses organized.
When I was a teen I mostly ignored the disrupters. I liked listening to the teachers and ask them questions. I loved learning. Whatever they had to teach me, it never bored me. So, I didn’t need that disruption to wake up. So, thanks for the tip. For chemistry I did try to work in several demonstrations each class, where I would ask them to either come forward to watch better, or I would walk to them and show or let them sniff (the making of ammonia) the result, and for math or blackboard chemistry exercises I let them solve it on the blackboard. Lecturing for 50 mins is no good. And when I notice kids going sleepy, I actually do a physical exercise… LOL… I’ll say let’s all do ’20 high knees’… The disrupters of course then will say “It’s not gym class… it’s chemistry!”
darwinsmom – sky
This is why I do everything I can to try to help Grand’s teachers figure out ways to keep Grand from becoming “one of those kids”, even covering much of it in his therapy sessions. The therapist has talked with his teachers, giving them her ideas. I know his ADHD causes him to be disruptive and I do all I can to minimize it. With him, he looks like he isn’t paying a bit of attention, but he can repeat everything that has gone on in class word for word. He loves to learn and is responsible for all his work, even makes himself little notes so he doesn’t forget anything here at home.
If you have time, google Ben Glenn, Chalk Guy or The Simple ADHD expert and make sure you watch the video of one of his presentations. He has ADHD and has an unreal way of presenting it to kids and teachers. It is really informative and VERY funny.