A Lovefraud reader using the name Dawn H posted the following comment quite awhile ago. At the end of her story, she brings up important questions.
My ex and I grew up in the same small town. We were like Barbie and Ken”¦expected to marry and live happily ever after. I watched him grow from a very nice guy into a predator and a very evil person in just a few years. After our child was born he started a new wonderful job in a bank and quickly climbed the ladder to success. I put him through law school as he became distant and harsh and wouldn’t touch me. I found out he was bragging at work about secretaries’ children being his. One of his secretaries divorced her husband to sneak around with mine in sleazy motels and the whole time he was telling her that I carried a gun in my diaper bag, etc. I met and befriended her, she started fainting at work, they both got fired, and she moved away. He begged and cried and we did major counseling for a year and I dropped the divorce proceedings thinking he was well.
Over the next two or three years he was nice and took my calls at work, came home for supper, etc, but gradually grew distant and harsh again. I found out in ’04 that he had a 10-12 yr affair with another secretary from his new position as COO of a publicly traded banking company AND a woman in every port city from here to Beijing. He had been hiding his money all this time, so that when he was caught he would not have to share. He bought all his mistresses suits, jewelry, even paid for one’s house, while I had to pay utilities, my own food, my own insurance, car payment”¦everything from my teacher salary. He kept me literally broke while he was making almost half a million per yr and telling me we had no money because he was reinvesting it all in the company. If I wanted 200 for Christmas presents, he made me postdate a check for January, and he wouldn’t let go of his check until I let go of mine.
There was no intimacy for more than 15 yrs. He lied all day every day, but the strange thing was that he turned very dark. He would leave butcher knives out on the counter facing the stairs where I came down in the morning. I found out his mistress was the one who had been phone stalking me for 7 or 8 yrs, and their phone records were like 25 or 30 calls to each other every day, even though they worked side by side. At the same time he had many other young mistresses and kept them all ignorant of each other. After he was caught and we separated, he cried and became perfect all over again for a year counseling, then got caught at a sleazy motel with someone again.
I could tell that someone was breaking into my house while I was at the gym. He brought me Ultimate Woman vitamin pills with the seal broken and some missing! I found an empty Viagra box in his vanity drawer. This guy has 150 IQ. Someone was hacking into my bank records online, and I left tape recorders at the house to see what was going on there while I was out. On the phone from the house to women, he sounded like a dirty old man, talking naughty and naked and nasty. I wouldn’t have believed it was him. One day he would cry and hug the stuffing out of me apologizing, and the next day he was rude and hateful and couldn’t remember he had apologized. I knew my life was in danger and I had to change the locks etc. I had to tape record every conversation during separation and divorce proceedings, because he lied so much to attorneys, etc, that you couldn’t prove anything without recordings.
He had NO concern for our son’s feelings in any of this. The mistresses’ children grew up with him sneaking in through the fence to sleep with mommy, and the first one’s kids were calling him Daddy too. He found out this mistress aborted his child, and he doesn’t care. He told me one time during the proceedings “the girlfriend knows I do what I want and I get what I want, and she’s fine with that.” Children’s feelings are unimportant, but he is wining and dining our son now, like we’re in a contest ”¦ climbing the pyramids in Egypt ”¦ took him to the Great Wall of China ”¦ fly fishing in the Grand Canyon, etc. Bought a barge and stocks it with bongs and booze for my son’s friends, etc. No regard for the kids ”¦ it’s all about him and winning.
My interest in cases like this is, where do you draw the line? When do you bring in the attorneys and police and IRS? What about the children? If he’s been hiding money for years in other countries, are you just supposed to forget and forgive and move on? I’ve had the hardest time with that. God is so good to me, but when I start to recall all the craziness, I get shaky and lose sleep and I just can’t really go there anymore. I want to protect others from this victimization and I don’t want to be vindictive, but then again, I don’t want him hurting other young women. I would not doubt that he might be one of these trafficking guys. Did you know most of the WORLD’S trafficking is financed by middle-aged American businessmen? We need to wake up and do something quickly. This American businessman/ sociopath/ narcissist/ predator thing is getting out of hand.
Dawn H’s story is terrible. Most people would say the story is shocking, but that’s because most people are ignorant about sociopaths. All of us here at Lovefraud know that stories like Dawn’s are much more common than the uninitiated realize.
The man Dawn H described is clearly hurting many people—Dawn, her son, the bevy of mistresses, the mistresses’ kids, even American taxpayers, since the guy is hiding his money. He may even be complicit in the sordid the sex trade.
Whether our stories are as bad as Dawn’s or not, many of us ask ourselves the same questions that she asked at the end of her email: How do we respond?
We all have to find our own answers to the question. Following are the points and issues to consider. For the sake of convenience I am referring to the sociopaths as male, but they could be female as well.
Now vs. later
When we first realize what the sociopath was actually doing, that everything he told us was a lie, that we were exploited, our emotions are at a full boil. We are traumatized, disillusioned, furious, scared. We want to strike back. We want to tell the world that he is a liar. We wonder how we are going to survive. Our emotions rage back and forth between outrage and fear, worry and determination.
At this point, we need to prioritize. We need to figure out what we MUST do now, and what can wait, in fact, what MUST wait, until later.
Survival
The most important variable in deciding how to proceed is the possibility of violence. The best predictor of future violence is past violence. If the sociopath has been violent in the past—even if it wasn’t directed towards you—you must assume that he could be violent in the future, and you may be the target.
If you (and your children) are in physical danger, you need to do whatever will protect your safety. If the sociopath has committed crimes for which he is likely to be arrested and jailed, report them. But if his offenses are such that authorities are likely to regard them as a case of “he said-she said,” or he’s likely to get out on bail and come after you—well, it may be better not to poke the hornet’s nest.
Your first priority is survival. As long as you are alive, everything else can be addressed later.
Stability
Your second priority is stability. Many of us have been financially wiped out by the sociopaths. If you’re in this position, you need to take steps to insure your economic survival. If you’re married to the sociopath, and financially entangled, you need to figure out the best way to disengage that is healthiest for you in the long run.
In considering how far to go after the sociopath legally, here are questions to ask yourself:
- Does he have any assets? Does he have a job? Does he have documented income? If there is no money, there may be nothing to gain.
- Do you have proof of his money? If not, can you get it?
- Can you afford a legal battle? If not, perhaps you should just walk away.
- Can he afford a legal battle? Does he have a history of filing lawsuits? If he does, he’s likely to relish going to court, and will drag out the proceedings, costing you money.
- Do you have children with him? If yes, one of these two scenarios is likely: Either he will abandon his responsibilities and fail to pay child support, or he will maintain contact and use the children as pawns to torment you.
Your ultimate goal should be to get rid of the sociopath and move on with your life. Any financial or legal actions you take against him should support that goal.
Emotional recovery
An experience with a sociopath leaves us feeling like we’ve been through a meat grinder. Anger, disappointment, shame, guilt, fear, outrage, even numbness—we probably cycle through all of them.
It’s exhausting.
We need to find our peace of mind. For some of us, it may be the first time that we consciously pursue peace of mind. Many of us were filled with vulnerability and turmoil, which attracted the sociopaths in the first place.
In deciding how far to go after the sociopath, therefore, we must also consider our emotional recovery. Lovefraud’s standard advice for recovery from the sociopath is No Contact—not having any interaction at all with him. No conversations. No phone calls. No email. No in-person encounters.
Going after the sociopath may entail some kind of contact. If you go to court, you’ll have to deal with him. If you want to expose him on the Internet, you may need to monitor his Facebook page. This means, as we say on Lovefraud, you are “renting him space in your head.” Thinking about the sociopath is a form of contact.
On the other hand, going after him may be important to your emotional recovery. By doing it, you are not allowing him to walk all over you. Standing up to him may benefit your self-esteem, and allow you to recover your identity.
Only you know what you need.
Making the sociopath accountable
Personally, I think it’s important to do what you can to make the sociopath accountable for his destructive actions. BUT you may want to think carefully about WHEN and HOW you take action.
If you have evidence that the sociopath committed a crime, report him to the authorities. Maybe the crime you report isn’t prosecuted, but it could help establish his pattern of behavior if another person reports a crime.
If, like many Lovefraud readers, you don’t want the sociopath to do to someone else what he did to you, you may want to warn the next victim, or expose the sociopath. I’ve written previously on both of these topics:
Letters to Lovefraud: Should I warn the next victim?
Perhaps you can’t take action against the sociopath right away because you need to attend to your own safety, stability and recovery. But maybe, when you are stronger, you can do something to stop the exploitative behavior.
Sociopaths get away with their immoral, unethical and sometimes criminal behavior because people do not stand up to them. So I think that when we can do so safely, we should speak up and take action. Sociopaths will continue their destructive behavior until they are stopped.
My daughter is the sociopath and literally turned our family inside out and upside down.
A few years ago I charged her with identity theft when she stole two of my credit cards and ran up the charges, then tapped into my checking account to pay the credit cards off and repeat. It only took me a two weeks to catch on, but in that time, she’d stolen over $8000 from me. I was not about to pay a credit card bill for things I did not purchase. She’d treated everyone she knew to a free meal and drinks, compiments of MOM.
Now I am over 700 miles away from her and have not had any contact with her for about two months now. I know no contact is the best thing for me, but as a mother I feel awful and remain frightened of what she might do to someone in the future. She is an internet predator, preying on men by fooling them into sending her money (after telling them her oh so sad stories), sending her cell phones, merchandise, etc.
Someday, one of these men isn’t going to be so nice when they find out the truth about her and I feel I will get that dreaded police phone call.
Any comments will be much appreciated.
Nontoxic,
You should keep the No Contact and not allow yourself to be put back into a vulnerable situation. You have feelings; you miss her and you feel sad about the situation. She likely has no remorse, and would do the same things to you over and over again.
The best thing you can do is connect with others, live your life, live a good life, take care of yourself, and stay away.
That’s all I got. I’m sure someone else will have better advice.
Nontoxic,
I can’t do much better than purewaters on advice.
Really, any encounter with a spath can help make us better people if we take the lessons we learn from it. Learning about them and how they function is a revelation to us about ourselves because THEY CAN’T FUNCTION WITHOUT US. They are parasites in every sense of the word: money, emotions, time, energy, life force.
PLEASE, don’t feed the spaths.
Cat,
Holy cow! You are my heroine! I had to laugh at your post. Not at what he did to you – it’s horrendous – but your attitude about it.
He wanted to hurt you, and you’re talking about it like it’s a slice of bologna that you had for lunch. A big ole “whatever”.
LOL! You’ve got the power! Good for you!
Athena
Justice~ Best of luck with your case. I felt hopeful reading about the Police Captain who was willing to assist you. I reported my ex for a confession of a crime that he was previously investigated for. I’m the 2nd person (that I know of) that he confessed the crime to who has subsequently reported him. So far, no response. It involves a cold case from 15 years ago. I’m not sure how to get law enforcement to take it seriously, so I hope I meet my law enforcement angel, too!
Skylar, I just love reading your posts. My ex is now eligible to have supervised visits with our young daughter. I received a phone call from his lawyer yesterday and have been anxious about my daughter having to go through this experience. I’m also nervous about having to see him, even with a protective order in place, I don’t want him to even detect any emotion on my part if I have to see him during any part of these visits. I’m going to GRAY ROCK my *ss off! As soon as I can, I am going to move out of state. I doubt he will invest the money to come visit her once we go, and my court order states that visits once we move out of state will be mutually agreed upon and be supervised at the mother’s discretion. So… that should take care of that!
I love this site and because of it, I was able to direct a friend here for understanding and healing after finding out she was also victimized by a sociopath.
I finished Lovefraud and dog eared so many pages in it. I could related to the tactics and behaviors of the sociopath and so many of the situations and feelings that Donna described during her entanglement and in the aftermath. Thank you for the book and this site, Donna. You are helping people with your contributions!
I am now reading “Just like his father?” in hopes of raising my daughter well despite a possible genetic predisposition. So far, she is a lovely, charasmatic little girl. Maybe she will just get the charisma without the darkness. Here’s to hope!
free,
I’m so sorry that happened to you. That kind of violation is so disgusting. How did you find out? Do you know what he poisoned you with?
I felt better within a week of leaving the spath. He admitted to using small doses of strychnine and botulism toxin, but I’m sure he did other things too. Every winter I would get what I thought was the most severe flu. Some winters, I would get it two or three times. I had severe projectile vomiting. Since I was isolated and rarely came in contact with other people, I couldn’t figure out why I was always catching bugs. When he admitted it, he said, “I liked to try little bits of different things”
Of course I haven’t had the flu since I left him, though I did get a head cold last March.
Karma is a bitch: because he was poisoning me, he is extremely paranoid of being poisoned himself. He has trained himself how to vomit on command. He used to brag about it. Now I know why.
Marie,
that’s a great plan to gray rock him during these visits before you move. It will “sour the milk” so to speak. His memory of you will be of a really boring person who doesn’t respond to drama. So when it comes time to decide if he will bother to visit you in another state, the decision will be easy for him: Nope, no drama there.
Free,
he’s gone off to find new victims. He’s so ugly now that he’s not going to have an easy time of finding a woman as a beard. So I’m sure he is portraying himself as the broken hearted one, who will never get over his alcoholic, drug addicted ex-wife and that’s why he isn’t interested in dating anyone. Weird because he bragged to all his friends about all the women he cheated with, but suddenly he’s lost all interest in women. Maybe it’s because it isn’t cheating… or maybe it’s because his real interest was never women at all. Children or young blonde men are more his style.
Skylar, thank you for the feedback. I will make “gray rock” my mantra in the upcoming weeks. I have so much anger that it will be difficult, but I need to remember the ultimate goal is to prevent him from negatively influencing my daughter’s life. Whatever it takes, I cannot indulge in my anger toward him. It sounds like it would rev him and his little game back up. Gray rock, gray rock, gray rock… I can do this!
callmeathena, LOL-a slice of bologna for lunch-too funny! I was able to step outside of it all because I reached a state of total indifference where he’s concerned. I simply don’t care. I’ve never felt like this about anyone before.
In a sense, he was my teacher. NOT that I advocate getting involved with a spath by any means!
He taught me gratitude for having a heart.
He taught me the importance of the saying, “If it seems to good to be true, it is!”
Because of him, I learned the importance of being true to myself first. I don’t feel guilty about this like I used to. If there is no ME, then I’m not much good to those I truly love.
I now understand that just ONE person can wreak absolute havoc and chaos in so many lives, smile as he/she is doing it and walk away without a qualm.
I understand true manipulation today. I pay attention to Donna’s list of 10 signs someone is a sociopath.
My sanity is far more important to me than this jerk. I lost my business, my car, thousands of dollars and more. I’m still not all there, by any means. I’m doing what my sister called, “cleaning up the mess of all messes”.
I’ve cried a million tears, fought my way out of bed more mornings than I can count and there are still THOSE days now and then.
Now long after I relocated, I was pulled over by the police. I found out my license had been suspended and my car was impounded because of an accident the ex-spath was in while driving my car almosts 3 years ago. The poor officer was as baffled as I was at first. I have no criminal history and my driving record is clean. He kept apologizing for having to do his job. I came home and went online, finally figuring out what this was about. I had a judgement of more than $15K against me. And I am TICKED OFF. I had been shopping and the poor police officer had to help me fill the back of his squad car with groceries. I’ve never been in the back of a squad car before. I was truly bowled over by all of this.
I tried to plead “in shock” when I went to court, but the magistrate said I couldn’t do that. I pled not guilty.
I retained a good attorney and just last week, EVERYTHING was dropped. Nothing on my driving recored, no judgment, NOTHING. The ex-spath was served papers on this, which was easy to do because he was in jail for petty theft. (again).
Because of the spath, I have learned the importance of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer. I DO check the court systems to see what he’s done and where, not because I give a hoot, but because I know the importance of being a step ahead. He’s an idiot.
In this case, I can say the police and the judicial system were awesome, something that we don’t always see.
Love and laughter,
Cat
Cat,
wow! The spaths slime just goes on and on.
I’m so glad you got that dropped.
How did you prove it was the spath driving your car?