A Lovefraud reader using the name Dawn H posted the following comment quite awhile ago. At the end of her story, she brings up important questions.
My ex and I grew up in the same small town. We were like Barbie and Ken”¦expected to marry and live happily ever after. I watched him grow from a very nice guy into a predator and a very evil person in just a few years. After our child was born he started a new wonderful job in a bank and quickly climbed the ladder to success. I put him through law school as he became distant and harsh and wouldn’t touch me. I found out he was bragging at work about secretaries’ children being his. One of his secretaries divorced her husband to sneak around with mine in sleazy motels and the whole time he was telling her that I carried a gun in my diaper bag, etc. I met and befriended her, she started fainting at work, they both got fired, and she moved away. He begged and cried and we did major counseling for a year and I dropped the divorce proceedings thinking he was well.
Over the next two or three years he was nice and took my calls at work, came home for supper, etc, but gradually grew distant and harsh again. I found out in ’04 that he had a 10-12 yr affair with another secretary from his new position as COO of a publicly traded banking company AND a woman in every port city from here to Beijing. He had been hiding his money all this time, so that when he was caught he would not have to share. He bought all his mistresses suits, jewelry, even paid for one’s house, while I had to pay utilities, my own food, my own insurance, car payment”¦everything from my teacher salary. He kept me literally broke while he was making almost half a million per yr and telling me we had no money because he was reinvesting it all in the company. If I wanted 200 for Christmas presents, he made me postdate a check for January, and he wouldn’t let go of his check until I let go of mine.
There was no intimacy for more than 15 yrs. He lied all day every day, but the strange thing was that he turned very dark. He would leave butcher knives out on the counter facing the stairs where I came down in the morning. I found out his mistress was the one who had been phone stalking me for 7 or 8 yrs, and their phone records were like 25 or 30 calls to each other every day, even though they worked side by side. At the same time he had many other young mistresses and kept them all ignorant of each other. After he was caught and we separated, he cried and became perfect all over again for a year counseling, then got caught at a sleazy motel with someone again.
I could tell that someone was breaking into my house while I was at the gym. He brought me Ultimate Woman vitamin pills with the seal broken and some missing! I found an empty Viagra box in his vanity drawer. This guy has 150 IQ. Someone was hacking into my bank records online, and I left tape recorders at the house to see what was going on there while I was out. On the phone from the house to women, he sounded like a dirty old man, talking naughty and naked and nasty. I wouldn’t have believed it was him. One day he would cry and hug the stuffing out of me apologizing, and the next day he was rude and hateful and couldn’t remember he had apologized. I knew my life was in danger and I had to change the locks etc. I had to tape record every conversation during separation and divorce proceedings, because he lied so much to attorneys, etc, that you couldn’t prove anything without recordings.
He had NO concern for our son’s feelings in any of this. The mistresses’ children grew up with him sneaking in through the fence to sleep with mommy, and the first one’s kids were calling him Daddy too. He found out this mistress aborted his child, and he doesn’t care. He told me one time during the proceedings “the girlfriend knows I do what I want and I get what I want, and she’s fine with that.” Children’s feelings are unimportant, but he is wining and dining our son now, like we’re in a contest ”¦ climbing the pyramids in Egypt ”¦ took him to the Great Wall of China ”¦ fly fishing in the Grand Canyon, etc. Bought a barge and stocks it with bongs and booze for my son’s friends, etc. No regard for the kids ”¦ it’s all about him and winning.
My interest in cases like this is, where do you draw the line? When do you bring in the attorneys and police and IRS? What about the children? If he’s been hiding money for years in other countries, are you just supposed to forget and forgive and move on? I’ve had the hardest time with that. God is so good to me, but when I start to recall all the craziness, I get shaky and lose sleep and I just can’t really go there anymore. I want to protect others from this victimization and I don’t want to be vindictive, but then again, I don’t want him hurting other young women. I would not doubt that he might be one of these trafficking guys. Did you know most of the WORLD’S trafficking is financed by middle-aged American businessmen? We need to wake up and do something quickly. This American businessman/ sociopath/ narcissist/ predator thing is getting out of hand.
Dawn H’s story is terrible. Most people would say the story is shocking, but that’s because most people are ignorant about sociopaths. All of us here at Lovefraud know that stories like Dawn’s are much more common than the uninitiated realize.
The man Dawn H described is clearly hurting many people—Dawn, her son, the bevy of mistresses, the mistresses’ kids, even American taxpayers, since the guy is hiding his money. He may even be complicit in the sordid the sex trade.
Whether our stories are as bad as Dawn’s or not, many of us ask ourselves the same questions that she asked at the end of her email: How do we respond?
We all have to find our own answers to the question. Following are the points and issues to consider. For the sake of convenience I am referring to the sociopaths as male, but they could be female as well.
Now vs. later
When we first realize what the sociopath was actually doing, that everything he told us was a lie, that we were exploited, our emotions are at a full boil. We are traumatized, disillusioned, furious, scared. We want to strike back. We want to tell the world that he is a liar. We wonder how we are going to survive. Our emotions rage back and forth between outrage and fear, worry and determination.
At this point, we need to prioritize. We need to figure out what we MUST do now, and what can wait, in fact, what MUST wait, until later.
Survival
The most important variable in deciding how to proceed is the possibility of violence. The best predictor of future violence is past violence. If the sociopath has been violent in the past—even if it wasn’t directed towards you—you must assume that he could be violent in the future, and you may be the target.
If you (and your children) are in physical danger, you need to do whatever will protect your safety. If the sociopath has committed crimes for which he is likely to be arrested and jailed, report them. But if his offenses are such that authorities are likely to regard them as a case of “he said-she said,” or he’s likely to get out on bail and come after you—well, it may be better not to poke the hornet’s nest.
Your first priority is survival. As long as you are alive, everything else can be addressed later.
Stability
Your second priority is stability. Many of us have been financially wiped out by the sociopaths. If you’re in this position, you need to take steps to insure your economic survival. If you’re married to the sociopath, and financially entangled, you need to figure out the best way to disengage that is healthiest for you in the long run.
In considering how far to go after the sociopath legally, here are questions to ask yourself:
- Does he have any assets? Does he have a job? Does he have documented income? If there is no money, there may be nothing to gain.
- Do you have proof of his money? If not, can you get it?
- Can you afford a legal battle? If not, perhaps you should just walk away.
- Can he afford a legal battle? Does he have a history of filing lawsuits? If he does, he’s likely to relish going to court, and will drag out the proceedings, costing you money.
- Do you have children with him? If yes, one of these two scenarios is likely: Either he will abandon his responsibilities and fail to pay child support, or he will maintain contact and use the children as pawns to torment you.
Your ultimate goal should be to get rid of the sociopath and move on with your life. Any financial or legal actions you take against him should support that goal.
Emotional recovery
An experience with a sociopath leaves us feeling like we’ve been through a meat grinder. Anger, disappointment, shame, guilt, fear, outrage, even numbness—we probably cycle through all of them.
It’s exhausting.
We need to find our peace of mind. For some of us, it may be the first time that we consciously pursue peace of mind. Many of us were filled with vulnerability and turmoil, which attracted the sociopaths in the first place.
In deciding how far to go after the sociopath, therefore, we must also consider our emotional recovery. Lovefraud’s standard advice for recovery from the sociopath is No Contact—not having any interaction at all with him. No conversations. No phone calls. No email. No in-person encounters.
Going after the sociopath may entail some kind of contact. If you go to court, you’ll have to deal with him. If you want to expose him on the Internet, you may need to monitor his Facebook page. This means, as we say on Lovefraud, you are “renting him space in your head.” Thinking about the sociopath is a form of contact.
On the other hand, going after him may be important to your emotional recovery. By doing it, you are not allowing him to walk all over you. Standing up to him may benefit your self-esteem, and allow you to recover your identity.
Only you know what you need.
Making the sociopath accountable
Personally, I think it’s important to do what you can to make the sociopath accountable for his destructive actions. BUT you may want to think carefully about WHEN and HOW you take action.
If you have evidence that the sociopath committed a crime, report him to the authorities. Maybe the crime you report isn’t prosecuted, but it could help establish his pattern of behavior if another person reports a crime.
If, like many Lovefraud readers, you don’t want the sociopath to do to someone else what he did to you, you may want to warn the next victim, or expose the sociopath. I’ve written previously on both of these topics:
Letters to Lovefraud: Should I warn the next victim?
Perhaps you can’t take action against the sociopath right away because you need to attend to your own safety, stability and recovery. But maybe, when you are stronger, you can do something to stop the exploitative behavior.
Sociopaths get away with their immoral, unethical and sometimes criminal behavior because people do not stand up to them. So I think that when we can do so safely, we should speak up and take action. Sociopaths will continue their destructive behavior until they are stopped.
Cat
Your last sentence is exactly what I say over and over. A justice system/police that are awesome? We don’t hardly ever see. We can not rely on them to be. We usually get screwed over by them.
I am so happy for you to have this outcome this time, everything dropped. We hardly ever see that either. Am claiming a victory dance in your honor. I seek good news and celebrate b/c we know what real misery is and we need to celebrate the GOOD moments. lalalalala. 1.2.3.4. lalalalala. Turn twirl. Cat’s crap was cancelled. Lalalalala. clap step turn kick. lalalalala.
I am truly sorry that someone has put you through all of this. Some of these men are clearly seriously mentally ill as well as being sociapaths, definitely narcisistic and self serving and just using people. As for you having to find the money for utility bills and paying the bills while the mistress gets a house, that is obviously because he had you where he wanted you and now owned you so could neglect you, but he knew that as he had not married the mistress and was scared to lose her he had to be more generous with her.
Re how far to go. It is not right to tell anyone how far to go.
Each person is different and each situation is. What one person would do would be wrong for another to do in the exact same situation. When I found out that my partner was similar to this story and had fleeced me of money and lied to me blatantly about many heart breaking things over years,
I did take it as far as I could go. He is/was a well known man much in the public eye so I sold the story to a magazine and newspaper. Not for the money, the amount I got did not make it worth it, but because I wanted his sons, daughters, business contacts, neighbours to know the truth and be wary of trusting him in the future. Whatever you do is what is right for YOU.
My ex was made accountable by ending up in the workhouse. After I left him, he showed up at my job high and drunk. When he found out I had left (I was on my way to see a divorce attorney) he went to my mom’s house (who has altzheimer’s) and talked his way in. He had left by the time I got there but came back. I had filed a restraining order and he broke it by coming to my mom’s house and showing up at my job. He was arrested months later when he called someone threatening suicide and they called the police. They arrested him on the outstanding warrant. After a month in the workhouse, he should have been clean and sober and he was ordered to outpatient rehab. He tested dirty twice. These people never learn anything.
Wow, don’t know where to start to respond to all the great posts above.
First off, CAT!!!! Welcome back sister! Glad you are here, good to see old friends and know how they are doing. When people drop off the blog I often wonder “are they okay? how are they doing?” It is good to see you and know you are well.
NONTOXIC, my son is one of the psychopaths in my life. He is in prison for murder…even from his prison cell he tried to have me killed and our family. Keep up NC with this daughter, and try to split off the visions in your head between the young child you loved and this STRANGER ADULT that is doing evil things to you and others. They are NOT the same. Your baby is gone, just as if she died, and that stranger will stalk to to the ends of the earth if you let her. You cannot help her, only yourself. God bless.
Oxy, “…let them rage against the light”. Oh yes, I concur!!!
A small victory for me perhaps and I realise how fortunate an escape I’ve had compared to some poor souls but…. I changed my number a few days ago. Sick and tired of the “intrusions” that my ex was continuing to pester me with, I finally thought NO. You are not goin to have the satisfaction of rattling me!! My SIL did point out that once he realises it’s changed, he will be more likely to come over but I couldn’t bear it any longer. I know it will piss him off an am glad. His attitude is ….he hasnt finished with me yet. Er well guess what sunshine? I have done with you. Here’s to peace and quiet from all evil doers.
Stronawoman,
NC and setting boundaries for them really does PITH THEM OFF, and they will UP the ANTE (like coming over because you won’t answer the phone calls) but you just have to HANG TOUGH AND KEEP THE NC, no matter what they do…if it continues though (keep evidence of calls and texts, etc. e mails, whatever) and it it ramps up too bad, file STALKING charges against him with the police, at least he will know you are serious.
Yes, they want to be the one to DISCARD US not the other way around, they want to cast us aside whenh THEY are ready, not allow us to escape.
Good girl! hang tough! TOWANDA!!!!!
Ox, appreciate your words of wisdom and encouragement. I am scared of him……he has a temper and I’ve seen it first hand so I’m trying to be very careful not to antagonise him. Then I think well that’s good b/c am being cautious and staying safe ….that’s the priority right.? But if he does up the ante then I will have to consider going to the police which will make him hopping mad and angreeeee …..I have to admit I’m hoping he will give up when he realises number changed. Naive?
Strongawoman,
(Shaking head here) I wish I could predict what he will do and how he will react, but I can’t. I never would have thought my son would KILL anyone, but looking back now I realize if he had come home to live after his first 2 years in prison it would have been ME he killed instead of that girl, because he had NO intention of going straight and I WOULD have butted heads with him and turned him in to the cops. I knew he was a thief, but until he actually KILLED her I didn’t believe he was capable of murder.
Even after he did it, I thought it was just a one-time thing, he was angry, did it on impulse, etc. but it wasn’t even that. It was COLD BLOODED PREMEDITATED REVENGE MURDER. He planned it days in advance, according to witnesses and the police report, he told them his plans days in advance and even his ex-convict friends were scared of him. And well they should have been.
I understand you not wanting to pith him off any more, but at the same time, you can’t talk to him. I can only suggest that at least for a short while that you tell your boss that you don’t want to be contacted by this guy, and if he shows up at your house, don’t open the door. If he waits for you outside run inside.
Also, when screaming for help if you need it, YELL FIRE! Instead of “help” It draws more attention.
Also one of the greatest defense weapons I know of is a can of WASP SPRAY, it shoots a stream of poison about 20 feet and you can get them cheap $5 a can, and have a can sitting in every room on every flat surface in your house, and one in your car, and in your hand when you are walking. Put a paper sack over it to disguise what it is when you are walking in the street, but GET YOU SOME!!!! Shoot for the face, if you get it into his eyes oir mouth or nose, he will forget about you and go somewhere seeking water. Oven cleaner that shots out the top is good too, causing horrible burns but it doesn’t shoot as far, so the wasp spray actually is a good defense weapon.
Ox,
I will get some and keep it handy as you say. My only worry would be is it legal? The laws on self defence and what constitutes a weapon are very strict here in UK. Am not wishing to be pedantic but he is such a coward he would think nothing of goin to police and pressing charges esp if his looks are damaged by acid.(he is VERY vain)
The only evidence I have is texts that are a mixture of total love bombing and thinly veiled threats to “kidnap” me so he can talk to me.
However, I hear what you’re saying and can almost predict what your reply will be. My safety is paramount. Thanks again
Strongawoman,
The thing is that a spray can of bug spray is just something that you FEARED for you life and just reached for in your FEAR when he was advancing on you and threatening. You’re afraid of bugs and wasps so you keep it handy.
The wasp spray is not acid and not going to harm his face, but it will get him to leave you alone and seek water for his eyes, the OVEN spray is the stuff that will eat his face off the front of his skull., so I don’t think you’d have a problem or leave any permanent injury with the wasp spray, but I’m not a solicitor or a lawyer and sure don’t know anything about the laws in your country. But as we say here, “I’d rather be tried by 12 (jury members) than carried by 6 (pall bearers to the grave)”