By Ox Drover
Sometimes former victims of psychopaths have voiced to me that they just want others to know that the psychopath was not the victim, but the abuser. Former victims are frustrated that others don’t recognize someone is an abuser. Many times the actual victim has instead been painted by the real abuser as the “bad guy.”
I remember reading a letter from my psychopathic son from his prison cell who told me in the letter he knew that I had to be the one who was “wrong” because he got along with everyone in the family circle and I got along with no one, so therefore I had to be the one “in the wrong.”
Well, democratically voting on something does not make something “right,” it only means that something is “popular—”but not necessarily right. Back in the days when everyone thought the world was flat, and Columbus was about the only one that thought it was “round,” popular opinion did not change the shape of the earth! While in this country we are proud of our democratic system of government, voting on something is not always the most “fair” way to pick a choice. Sometimes “democracy” is like two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner tonight! The bad guys gang up on the weaker ones and take advantage, but that doesn’t make it “fair” or right.
One of the most frequent ploys of the psychopathic abuser is to initiate what is frequently referred to as “the smear campaign.” This may actually start behind the victim’s back while there is active victimization going on between the abuser and the victim, or it may start after the victim has either escaped or been discarded by the psychopath. The psychopath starts to talk badly about the victim to others in their circle, to destroy the credibility of the victim so that if and when the victim starts to talk about him/her to others, they are viewed as the scorned lover or business partner spreading hateful rumors, when in fact, just the opposite is true.
Unfortunately, many times by the time the actual victim realizes that the lies have been spread about them, the damage is done and there is no effective way to counter the damage done by the abuser and their duped accomplices. Many times these accomplices of the abuser are actually unaware that they are accomplices, and are acting in good faith to “protect” what they perceive as a “victim” from the person they now consider an abuser.
The abuser/psychopath recruits as many of these unsuspecting accomplices as possible so that the “consensus” of opinion is that “all these people can’t be wrong.” The sheer numbers of supporters that a psychopath can sometimes recruit is unbelievable. The “gang mentality” takes over sometimes, and the poor legitimate victim is victimized again by having their reputation besmirched. Sometimes they lose their livelihoods, as well as their self-esteem and self-confidence.
Our reputation is important to most of us, and our self-confidence is also important to us, and the strength of an attack from not only the psychopathic adversary, but their dupes and accomplices as well, can destroy that reputation and self-confidence. Sometimes it destroys lives.
In order to survive this attack, we must first understand that “might (and numbers) does not make right.” We must also understand that we can validate the truth, and that our own validation of that truth may be the only validation that we can obtain. We may not be able to convince “others” that we were not the abuser; we may not be able to publicly verify that we were the one who suffered unjustly. We may not be able to prove in a court of law that we were the victims of a psychopath. We may have to raise our heads and to walk away from the situation, emotionally wounded and bleeding, while we see our abuser “skip off merrily into the sunset,” apparently none the worse for wear.
Life isn’t always “fair” and many times those who most deserve justice seem to get the least of it, but we can achieve closure within ourselves. We can find validation of our own personal truths, and no matter what the “vote” is, it doesn’t change that truth. It can be enough to sustain us.
Sky
I just keep thinking about what you said – “arrested development”. You know, there were periods when I told him I thought
A) he was “emotionally retarded”,
B) he was a “sociopath”
C) how shocked i was to think he was normal, but when I looked under the hood I could only see the “grand canyon” (because he’s so empty)…..
In saying those things to him, he never ever responded. He ignored it completely. Changed the subject.
If somebody told YOU they thought you were a sociopath, or emotionally retarded, wouldn’t YOU respond?
It’s so bizarre. I can’t understand why I gave this man so much power over me. He’s nothing but a child!
Superkid
Superkid,
he knew it was true. He was just wondering what you were going to do about it.
spaths are quite aware that they lack “normal” thinking.
Some of them are aware of certain quailities that they have and others are aware of other qualities.
My exP knew he was a sadist and a parasite. He knew envy was over the top in him and he believed himself demonic.
My spath brother is just as sociopathic but I don’t think he is aware of his envy or thinks he’s demonic. I think he doesn’t have the balls to see himself for what he is.
Question about that “third account”.
Is it possible that this is just a young unsophisticated or relatively new-to-the-internet person who is easily wounded? His or her posts read to me like *possibly* the work of a mean-spirited person seeking to “parody” a LF poster and also stir up drama for personal yucks out of Friday afternoon boredom, but there is no way I would be confident of a conclusion like that without knowing that the poster’s IP address matched a previous trouble-maker’s.
I would never be able to “know” that this person is a troll that I should not respond to — until after quite a few responses.
R-Ann,
What you said doesn’t make sense to me….are you saying that you couldn’t ignore this person and their attacks because they might be someone in pain?
How could you KNOW their IP address from just reading on this blog? In order to even know if they were someone who had formerly posted here?
Any time someone starts being “snarky” or just outright hateful, the best thing is to IGNORE THEM on the blog (don’t respond) but DO use the ‘REPORT ABUSIVE COMMENT” link, and put a note in there that says “donna this person sounds a bit odd or upset” then it is off your back—you have done what donna has asked us to do, and she handles it well. SHE can find the IP address of each poster if she needs to to see if they are someone who has been banned from that IP address….and yes, they can come back and register under another IP address or name but you know they usually go away.
I try not to “assume” anything about someone because sometimes people who are in pain ARE snarky…my Now-X-best girlfriend that we parted ways in January this year after being BF for 30+ years, she’s depressed, her husband is a recently retired alcoholic and their marriage is the pits, he is abusive and degrades and dismisses her, she is in a lot of pain, and because of that she was snarky to me, and so was he…I won’t tolerate it, but I DO UNDERSTAND, so I just put some DISTANCE between us, And I do the same thing on the blog…if someone is “tacky” then I put DISTANCE between them and me. I don’t respond to them. If they are trolls they will get nastier and if not trolls they will usually calm down and then I will respond to them. No big deal either way. When I was RAW though those things upset me and triggered me. But not now.
raggedy ann – i don’t know if you saw the thread that i buried earlier in the day. if you had, you wouldn’t have any question as to the motives of this person. none at all.
Oxy, you’re right — what I wrote did not make sense. “knowing… IP address” was suposed to read, “without knowing…” Sorry for inducing head-scratching — lol I hope it makes a bit more sense now. Thank you for pointing out the report-post feature!
(For the benefit of others, I am going to edit that if I can. Sometimes the edit feature doesn’t work for me.”
One/joy, I definitely missed whatever thread you are referring to. I regret that a little, as it might have been educational for me. I can’t stand sport-lying drama-stirring trolls, and their motivations baffle me, but I feel bad for genuinely troubled or in-pain types that lash out or can’t walk away from an altercation or from their impulse to defend their argument or their name. I’ve seen them called attention-whores, which is a name I would be more likely to call them than “trolls”. I can certainly empathize with them more easily than the other group.
Thanks both for your responses.
eta: ok, the editing is working for me today 🙂
R-ann,
Our empathy and our feeling that we don’t want to hurt anyone else’s feelings and we want to be supportive and non-judgmental and all that….leave us more vulnerable to being successfully attacked here.
There was a woman who came here once posing as a “victim” of a teacher at her college who was persecuting her, ridiculing her in class (NOT EVA this was another one long time ago) anyway, we gave her support for months and months and she could come back every day with her pity party…but it became apparent after a while that this woman was as much a troll, attention whore and snarkette as we have ever had here on this blog…she went off on several people and it ended up she got banned from the blog after behaving that way more than once.
Sometimes there will be young (I think) punk kids at least they act like them off the sociopath’s support site where they brag to each other about how to get one over on the “sheeple” (yep that’s what they call us) sometimes they just come in cold turkey and sometimes they post as “victims” oh, poor me, help me, (excuse me while I puke)
As soon as they start that the first one to pick up on it hits the report link, and then starts talking about the gardening they are doing, or the new potted plants they are buying and the subject changes immediately until they are gone. We do NOT respond directly to them….after notifying donna that’s it, she WILL take care of it, believe me. Once in a great while one poses as a victim long enough that we have blogged to them a few days, but they usually show up before too long as what they are…a troll. Don’t let it bother you and don’t worry about it… if you see someone talking about the new gray rocks or the potted plants you know what is going on, so just tell us about your flowers. LOL
raggedy ann – LOVE THIS: ‘sport-lying’. Man, that’s a gooood one. That’s what my spath does; sort of like ‘fly-phishing’ for spaths!
when i use the term troll, i mean: #1, someone who acts as if they live under a bridge, and #2, who is literally trolling for someone to latch on to what they are doing/ saying and play with them a bit – and not in a nice way. Not all trolls are spaths, but all spaths are trolls.
What i get from your post is that you are concerned that you might treat someone inhospitably, who has a real need/ reason to be here. I can understand your concern. If someone comes and they are confused and raw, that’s one thing, but it is entirely another when they come spewing crap and attacking the site/ posters, as was the case with the troll who was here the other day. Being a class a puke didn’t get him what he wanted, so he came back later and tried to be less vile, but still gave himself away.
Raggedy Ann,
here’s a trick to use if you’re confused:
read what the troll wrote and to WHOM it’s written to. Then substitute YOUR name and pretend she had written it to you. Then ask yourself, how it made you feel. Her remarks were meant to wound.
Attacking back is not the answer, because that’s what she wants. simply ignoring her remarks is the best strategy.
My (report abusive comment) button doesn’t work, so I couldn’t use that method. Third acct, on the other hand, used it liberally to report us to Donna.
sky – she/ he did! snort chortle. ha ha ha.
opps, after i wrote that i realized that there might have been repercussions for the posters. 🙁
but really, donna got reports about that troll early in the morning – there were very bad posts that were reported immediately. please don’t tell me that there was any backlash about it.