I’m going to address a disturbing subject: the motives, the thinking, of men who eliminate—yes, who murder—their partners.
But first a caveat: Females also sometimes eliminate their partners and share, I suspect, similar mindsets and motives with male murderous eliminators.
And so what I write, here, applies, I suspect, across gender lines.
One other caveat—when I use the term “eliminate,” as you might suspect, I’m excluding killings in self-defense, of passion, and as responses to insufferable abuse. This will be apparent as the discussion unfolds.
Last, by “eliminate,” I refer to two possible means of disposing of a partner—by one’s own hands, or by outsourcing the job.
So let’s hit the ground running: Why would a man murderously eliminate his partner? Here’s the short, but surprisingly complete, answer: He’d eliminate her because he perceives that she’s in his way.
That is, he experiences her as an unacceptable obstruction; and he concludes, eventually, that the only solution is to remove, to eliminate, the obstruction (her).
In the mind of the murderous eliminator, the partner to be eliminated is impeding something very important to him; something that feels vital to his selfish interests; something that promises him gratification that he must have; and something to which he feels strongly, compellingly entitled.
These factors of his thinking, in combination, support and groom his eliminationist mindset.
The idea that he should be denied access to what he wants feels wrong, intolerable. Worse, it feels like an injustice. And so he grows to resent, increasingly, the obstructive entity (his partner); and increasingly, he rationalizes the validity of his growing resentment.
The murderous partner believes, in his entitlement, that he is meant to have this “something,” this “experience” that he covets, as if destiny has promised it.
Consequently, whatever or whoever stands in his way assumes antagonistic, hostile properties, further supporting his rationalization that the obstruction (or obstructor!) isn’t just an inconvenient nuisance, but worse, malignantly undermining.
And so he develops a warped, almost paranoid view that the thwarting factor is inimical to the fulfillment of his agenda. This is a view that supports his inwardly germinating position that he is justified, if necessary, to remove the source of the interference.
It follows, then, that for the murderous eliminator, his partner isn’t just an object to him, which, of course, she entirely is; more than that, she is an object that is in the way of his getting something he’s determined to have, and to which, by now, as I’ve suggested, he feels completely, even desperately, entitled.
I repeat: the combination of these attitudes conspires to ripen his receptivity to the budding idea, to the cold-logic necessity, of eliminating his partner, if this is what’s necessary to ensure his access to what he covets and believes deeply is his right to possess.
Consider the archetypal case of the man who eliminates his spouse to end up with his mistress. In this scenario, from the murderous eliminator’s perspective, the spouse impedes, obstructs his access to his mistress.
Because he is desperate to have his mistress, and because his desperation is inextricable from his sense of entitlement, he experiences his spouse’s existence as less than merely a frustrating inconvenience than as a threat to his determination, capacity and right to possess what he feels he must, and deserves to, have (his mistress).
I’ve used the word threat carefully. Remember, threats must be trouble-shot. Whenever anything, in our minds, reaches a level of threat, we feel justified to act to remove it. This is a normal, and not necessarily sociopathic, reaction.
However the sociopath, in his abject narcissism, will experience limits to, constraints on, the gratification he is pursuing as threats! He will feel outraged, if not enraged, at circumstances that interfere with his pursuit of intensely coveted gratifications.
In his mind, these obstructions are perceived as threatening.
I stress: he will perceive these obstructions not just as the unwelcome, inconvenient life interferences with which most of us, grudgingly, come to terms; rather, from his more paranoid, grandiose perspective, he’ll perceive them as personal threats to his right to feel gratified in the way that he wants to feel gratified.
For the murderous eliminator, nothing must interfere with his plan—in this case, to clear a path to his mistress!
There may be children involved. He may spare the children if he thinks they won’t obstruct his plans. If this is the case, it may be enough to eliminate only their mother, who is in the way, while sparing the youngsters, who may not be.
To be clear, his decision to spare the children is made easier if he perceives that, in so doing, he isn’t jeopardizing his access to his mistress, the paramount consideration.
Conversely, it’s possible that he may deem the children, too, and not just their mother, as irremediable obstacles, in which case they, too, will be perceived as threats.
In this case he may feel the need and, on a twisted level, the right, to eliminate them as well.
This is all morbid stuff, of course, but we know that it happens. But who thinks like this? What kind of individual thinks like this? Most sociopaths don’t murder their spouses, or eliminate their families, to be with a mistress.
At the same time, only a sociopath is capable of conceiving, and executing, such a calculated, callous, coldblooded, selfish, murderous plan.
What is the difference in the mindset of a sociopath who actually murders and one who pushes a wife over the edge to suicide?
My ex’s first wife committed suicide. On that day, he went to her job and said terrible things to her, humiliated her. She left at lunch and never returned. He did the exact same thing to me except he phoned me at work to humiliate me. He was careful to remove himself from the home the day before. It was almost like he thought things through the second time while hoping for the same result.
Since the life of a SP is basically a script that they keep repeating, I know what #1 wife (and now #3) experienced with him. We were just place cards in his life.
I really feel that I was very close to dying when I rewind my time with him. Now that I know what a SP is, I keep wondering, what stopped him from actually commiting murder?
My ex was hoping for murder by suicide. He is clever enough to maintain the veneer of social respectability. That is part of his game. So it would have been highly unlikely for him to commit murder and risk all that goes with it. But to be able to say that his wife committed suicide…What a bonanza for him! He could be the poor, suffering widower. I’m not sure which he likes better – tormenting others or playing the victim card and getting sympathy for himself. This would have been a double win for him.
At the end of our marriage, he was constantly telling me that I was depressed, that I needed therapy, and that I was on the verge of killing myself. I certainly was in emotional distress. Any normal person would have been if they were living with his emotional abuse. Only another sociopath who was missing normal human emotions could have been unaffected by him. But I was NOT depressed in the sense of clinical depression. I was distressed in the sense of someone who was grieving a serious loss, like a death. My ex was hoping that by constantly telling me I was suicidal, that the suggestion might push me over the edge.
Now that time has passed and I have some perspective on it, I realize that I was grieving the death of my marriage, the death of the family life that I though I had. The man that I thought I was married to did not exist. I realized that he had never loved me, that he was, in fact, sadistic and manipulative, that he got his pleasure out of hurting other people and that I was his prime target.
He inadvertently admitted exactly what he was thinking in legal documents during the divorce proceedings. In trying to portray himself as the long-suffering, caring husband of a crazy wife, he claimed that he was concerned for my mental health and so he removed all the razor blades from the house! When I read that, I almost laughed out loud! If I *were* contemplating suicide, razor blades would not even have made it onto the list of options! And did he really think that I was so stupid that if I wanted to kill myself that removing razor blades from the house would stop me??? The other reason it made me laugh was that he was mildly obsessed with razor blades. So I think the whole thing was his fantasy and/or projection of his mental state.
Used Brauer, your Ex doesn’t sound like a sociopath, he sounds like a full fledge psychopath. Stay away from him. Absolutely, positively NO CONTACT with that guy for the rest of your life.
You are the lucky one if you don’t realize this fact. You survived with your life. How do you know she committed suicide? She’s not alive to tell anyone her side of the story. The only side heard is his.
I suspect a childhood neighbor killed his wife in the bathtub … aka called it a drowning. I seriously doubt that woman drowned by accident because this guy could feel a breeze blowing past his face. I sat on a board with a good friend of hers. She is no longer with us either.
Peace.
“death by suicide” can also be “murder made to look like suicide” My P son and the Trojan Horse P had determined to off me and make it me committing suicide by blowing my brains out with a gun in all my dispair. The trojan horse and my other son’s wife inte4nded to off my son and make it lookk like “self defense” so yes, Ps come up with these plans and even execute them rather than just blaze away in murder. Some how they seem to think they can LIE THEIR WAY OUT OF ANY SITUATION. NO MATTER WHAT THE EVIDENCE says.
Typical Ps, but I think the majority are capable of killing if the situation is right.
Used Brauer says:
What is the difference in the mindset of a sociopath who actually murders and one who pushes a wife over the edge to suicide?
I’m thinking its how much effort they choose to put into the death and their ‘innocence’. I also think self restraint may have something to do with it…. they plot and wait….and erode the partner to the point of taking their ‘own’ lives.
The ones who murder….tend to ‘snap’….the buildup of anger and loss of control…..
The spaths who set up a murder by suicide situation….can gleem the sorrow from those around them….Oh, i’m so sorry susy commited Suicide….can I fix you a meal…do you need to talk, I wish I would have known ….. People are caught up in the shock of the suicide, they don’t look any deeper…..the spath gets….attention, attention, attention….meanwhile…any/all negativity or thoughts about them being bad are washed away with the partners suicide….and they can continue to portray the dead person as the ‘crazy one’…..but in a nice/caring way……again….attention, attention, attention….
Others thoughts are confrimed…..the partner commited suicide….they must have been anguished and mentally ill. NOT TORTURED AND DRIVEN TO THIS as there was no way out.
It’s the attention they get from it….so maybe they have more self ‘control’ to not snap and draw negative attention from authorities….and set up the ploy of harrasing the partner so much that death is the end result.
One way takes time…..one way doesn’t.
For the victim….the end result is the same….FINAL!
nottakingitanymore, we have almost identical stories. So sad to know it’s happened to others. It’s incredibly traumatizing and very hard for people “outside” to understand.
Does anyone have experience with the justice system in regards to an attempt to push a wife to suicide? If a sociopath acts upon a premeditated plan to erode their partner to the point of taking their own lives and then intentionally creates increasing levels of stress to push her over the edge, could this be tried as “attempted murder”? And if so, what documentation would be required?
Comesthedawn:
I think this would be a VERY HARD thing to prove….
Anytime you deal with court appointed mental health experts….it clouds issues left and right….
If ‘she’ had ANY prior issues ….drugs/depression/PTSD/alcohol issues….whatever…..OR anything that could be perceived as an ‘issue’ ANYTIME in her lifetime, it’d be thrown right up in her face. It would be used by defense to the HILT!
I would think, to prove this sort of thing, it woud be easier if the victim actually died. (UGH!) And there was documented abuse or letters written by the deceased herself and police reports and professional mental health notes as documentation.
The definition of the ‘act’ itself defines culpability.
If someone takes her own life….(unfortuntately….SHE chooses the end result).
Even if she was driven…..SHE Committed the act.
That’s my non legal take.
Great question……..
comesthedawn:
I agree with Ms Brock — great question.
Here’s my take on it, as someone who used to be a criminal defense attorney — I think it would be an almost impossible case to make. The legal standard for conviction is “beyond a reasonable doubt.” You have a suicide which is diagnosed as a suicide by the coroner, then how do you prove it? A US Supreme Court case in 2008 basically said that the prosecutor cannot use a letter by the deceased saying she/he thinks the spouse is trying to kill them and make it look like suicide. The reason? Because the defendant can’t cross-examine the witness.
At least that’s my take.
And Ms Brock — I’ve been searching for your posting on how you served you S-ex. Sounds like interesting reading…
Matt:
I have no idea where I posted it…..
Heres my recon mission summerized.
I cross referenced what he posted on FB with a telephone call he made to my home and didn’t speak last year.
That call gave me the address on where to find him. (Internet search, reverse phone lookup and both occupants names)
I also used his latest recreational activity in FL (water related) and the company he has favorited on FB….they do weekly contests which list his name as a participant. (hmmmm BUMMER).
So…..I gave it two shots….if they couldn’t serve him at the home he resided at…..they could show up at the recreational event on certain day of week and present him his copy in front of all his new friends….. 🙂
They found him at the residence….so no need for major embarrasment.
Just got wind he’s on hte move again…..this weekend…..so I am expecting him here by Tues.
He was calling the courts last week and they didn’t answer or return his crazy message. He wanted to talk to his ‘children’ and write them a letter.
When the clerk did take his call last week…..she told him they wanted nothing to do with him and he inquired HOW DOES SHE KNOW…..clerk responded…..because kids filed their own stalking and harassment order….that’s a good clue!!! 🙂
He had a headsup another order was issued and he could expect service…..I expected this to pose a problem…..
Apparantly it didn’t.
He said….well, that’s how it goes.
So….Tues am is the hearing….stay tuned darlen……
🙂
ErinBrock:
Did I ever tell you you’re my hero?
Maybe I should say “Be our leader.”
Well done. Have you checked your horoscope lately? The stars certainly seem to be in alignment!