The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released new results yesterday from telephone surveys of about 9,000 women and 7,400 men. One in four women reported being violently attacked by their husbands or boyfriends. One in five women said they were victims of rape or attempted rape.
Read Survey: 1 in 4 women attacked by intimate partner on NPR.org.
Read Survey: 1 in 3 women affected by partner’s violent behavior on CNN.com, which also includes data about violence to men.
National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, on the CDC.gov.
Sky, that’s a terrible thing to discover you’ve been living with.
Regarding the number of victims, I’m sure if somebody lived in a large city, or moved around a lot, and was constantly trawling for new victims, they could indeed rack up a very high count over the years. The deal with this Walls guy as far as I’m aware is, first, that he lived in an area with sparser population (so a smaller pool of potential victims to begin with), but also that he had a “dedicated circle” of more or less “captive” victims that he was abusing all the time. How much trawling he had time to do beyond that, I simply don’t know.
Anyway I can see how people just don’t think about somebody close to them being a pedophile, because it’s not the way their own minds are running. Taking all this stuff about sports coaches for instance, I can imagine a guy can be enjoying good, healthy fun doing “guy things” with a number of boys, whether it’s football, basketball or whatever. Then if another guy seems to be doing exactly the same, it’s natural to assume he’s doing it for the same healthy reasons. We all “project” to that extent, and it can be a shock to realize that’s not all that another person is thinking about, and they’ve got far sicker things on their own mind.
Redwald,
in retrospect, it should have been obvious. He was always helping street kids and homeless or poor people…
I came home from work and lit up my little hibachi in the parking lot next to our apartment building. I had some steaks and was going to grill them out there. Where I lived, there were lots of homeless and street people. So when spath invited Tyrone and Tina to share our meal, I thought it was nice. He told me they were homeless and living in the park across from our building. Tyrone was black and about 20 years old, Tina was white and 15 years old. I shared the meal with them. I was happy to. Later that night, spath told me that Tina was a prostitute and Tyrone was her pimp and that this is how they survived. Our apartment was in the basement. Spath suggested that we allow them to sleep in the basement of the building, out in the laundry room, and that he was going to get Tyrone a job at the place he worked.
I thought that sounded great. Well, now I know that he just liked the idea of screwing Tina, RIGHT OUTSIDE MY DOOR, while I slept or while I was at work. Furthermore, he said he got Tyrone a job but within a week Tyrone stole some tools and got fired. That was the last I saw of Tina and Tyrone.
All this happened within a few months of meeting the spath. This is just one of many incidents like this.
But you are right, Spath lived in a large city so it was easy.
Somehow, though, they find a way. Sandusky probably had trouble finding enough victims without inconvenienceing himself so he set up a non-profit to do it for him. They NEVER stop thinking of ways to fulfill the need to do evil.
Jonathan Black, the son of Conrad black (a notorious white collar criminal – see below) has been charged with harassing his ex gf, and was previously charged with breaking his probation. apple + tree > entitlement
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1103437–conrad-black-s-son-pleads-guilty-to-harassing-ex-girlfriend
‘The elder Black is serving a sentence after being convicted in 2007 of three counts of fraud and one count of obstruction of justice for the misappropriation of $6.1 million U.S. at the Chicago-based Hollinger International Inc.
His convictions have been reduced to one count of fraud $600,000 and one of obstruction of justice. The bulk of Black’s sentence is a result his removal of a series of boxes from his Toronto office while under investigation by U.S. financial regulators.’ http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Conrad+Black+charged+breaking+probation/5812159/story.html
I figure it like this:
Something like 1%-3% of the population are male spaths, right?
Just one male spath probably burns through something like 5-10 women in his life at the very LEAST.
So, that right there means that at least 20%-40% of the female population has been spathed.
40%? That is a disturbing number. I thought of this when I was asking myself why all the sociopath sites are so flooded by mass amounts of women who were victimized. When I did the math, it made total sense.
ok Panther what about the female spaths . If you think the average male spath can go through 5-10 women I would bet the average female spath has gone through 50 to 60 . A female spath can charm a man way easier than a male spath can charm a woman . Female spaths would normally not be violent towards their spouse because they know they would loose . Where the female spath excells is in the mind destruction department . And keep in mind that a man that has had his mind done over may just turn violent if he is pushed too far . Not all violence against women is psychopathic men beating on a inocent woman . A large number , is normal men beating on psychopathic women . Now I am not condoneing violence against psychopathic women , I am saying thats just the way it is . I am a male by the way . My Ex attacked me from behind while I was sitting down and dislocated my neck . No , I did not hit her back , but I could see how a lot of guys would have . If I had hit her and it had gone to court who would be believed . Me 6 feet high weighing in at 200 lbs or her 5 foot 5 inches weighing in at 120 lbs and as cute as a button to boot .
Quest, I was following you and agreeing with you until this:
“A man that has had his mind done over may just turn violent if he is pushed too far.”
“…normal men beating on psychopathic women.” <—impossible.
I completely disagree with this. No normal man would beat a woman, period. Period. I could understand throwing someone off of you if they jumped on you or holding someone's hands so that they cannot hit you, but BEATING is on a whole different level!!! NO WAY is there a justification for this. Ever.
Maybe some people will disagree with me, but even you said that you didn't hit her back, so that just goes to show that NO it's not normal to beat someone. Ever. I am not saying that a guy who "hits back" is a sociopath, but he is not normal. And a guy who BEATS has zero sympathy from me.
Violence towards another human being is wrong. If the perpetrator is a woman its wrong. If the victim is a woman, child or man it’s wrong.
Victims and abusers is what we are discussing. ..the balance of power is always held by the person with the most physical strength surely? In my experience I’ve never been much of a match for my violent partners…..ashamed to admit there’s been two. They had something in common….they were both physically stronger than me. Women have killed violent partners however. After years of abuse they have murdered their abuser. Is it the same thing as retaliating in the heat of the moment?
If you are living with an abusive partner don’t retaliate. Leave.
Redwald,
Actually, in documented studies of “first time offenders” using a polygraph (which I know is not 100% reliable but pretty much so) to gage the truthfulness of the answers, the first time offenders were quested about the NUMBER OF PREVIOUS VICTIMS….and the AVERAGE of all the studies were between 110 and 300 victims BEFORE THEY WERE EVER CAUGHT AND CONVICTED.
I knew Jackie Walls personally, and lived in Lonoke, AR where he is from. His dad was a very honest man, an attorney and later a judge. The first time there were “rumors” about Jackie and the Boy Scouts of America kicked him out, but nothing else was done. I am under the impression that Jack Walls, Sr. helped quash the “rumors” and he would NOT have done that if he had any inkling that there was any truth to them at all.
That being said though, Jackie actually went to an official large Scout function in Colorado UNDER A FAKE NAME and even had his photo made in a group setting so it was proven he was there and under the fake name.
The prosecutor in the case said that there were OVER 1500 (fifteen hundred) children over the years, not “50” and I do not find that at all out of line with what Dr. Anna Salter, one of the TOP experts in the world on pedophilia says. Read her book “Predators” and it will CURL YOUR HAIR! Permanent wave it!
Pedophiles are I think THE MOST prolific criminals and have more guts. She mentions in her book about a school principal who would have sex with kids in his office with the door open and his secretary outside, out of visual area, but how “open” it looked and “innocent” WHO would imagine he would have sex with a kid in his office with the door open?????? WTF???
I never liked Jackie Walls, he was just very narcisistic but I admired his father and his mother, and his sisters and his wife and kids. ALL FINE PEOPLE and devastated by what he did. He also molested his sister’s kids, one of whom killed himself afterward. The DA said that she would have asked for the death penalty if she could have. I think there were plenty of people in town who would have personally been willing to hang him if they could have as well.
Jack senior shut himself away from the world and never gave any statement about Jackie. None of Jackie’s family came to the trial or supported him in any way. I understand somewhat of what he did to the family, and especially his father.
I was in town today and ran into a distant cousin and she asked me about my sons, and I told her where Patrick is and why. In the past I always lied and said “Oh, he lives in Texas” and when they asked what he did for a living I said “works for the State of Texas” both true statements, but definitely NOT THE TRUTH, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I am no longer going to hide or be ashamed. The shame is not mine, and not the Walls family’s, it belongs to the psychopaths for what they have done.
Pedophiles are my number one hate! I have confronted them in our living history group when they got out of prison and tried to come back to our group and work with children. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A REHABILITATED PEDOPHILE in my opinion, and no such thing as a rehabilitated sexual predator of any kind.
Hi Panther,
I am not trying to justify the violence , I am mearly saying what can happen . I know a guy whose wife was waiting for him at the top of the stairs when he came home from work . She had a frying pan and hit him in the face with it as he came through the door . One punch and he knocked her out . Who is to blame ??.
Most normal men who get into relationships with psychopathic women have no idea what they are getting into , I certainly didn’t . As time passes the relationship starts off seemingly fine and then slowly goes down hill . I used to say to friends that the woman I was with , had mind games I didn’t know had been invented . I also called her , the riddle talker . She was a merchant of confusion and she was good at it . I sometimes wondered if she was trying to provoke a violence episode so she could get me charged . My feeling is that the world of psychopathic women is less understood and less studied than the male side . It is the male ones that seem to be the most violent , however it is the women that are more cunning and covert in their abuse . I have often wondered how many psychopathic women have killed their husbands with poison and gotten away with it .
Hi Quest,
Yeah, I understand what you mean. Every story is different, and it sounds like your friend’s situation was a fluke. A frying pan? That’s nuts alright. I was just hung up with the word “beat” that you used. That implies something that I think no normal person can do to someone, especially someone they care about.
Strongawoman,
A friend of mine was in a Turkish prison for 11 years. She was in prison for participating in a protest when she was 19. Anyways, I asked her once what most of the women were in there for. Answer: Murdering their abusive partners. Turkey is an EXTREMELY patriarchal culture (don’t let their fancy lights fool you…it’s the culture, not the technology). I completely understand how this can be. Women in Turkey go from being their father’s possession to being their husband’s possession. The family sends them to their future husband like handing over a cow to milk and abuse. Yeah, when someone bigger than you is using their might to overpower and abuse, it’s not incomprehensible to me that a person, while feeling trapped, might slip him something. They probably start to realize that SOMEONE is going to die, and it will be them if they leave it up to the abuser to decide.