Earlier in the year, Lovefraud submitted a comment giving our views on the draft of the new Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association, DSM 5. We commented on the proposed new term for antisocial personality disorder, “antisocial/psychopathic type,” and the diagnostic criteria.
One of the changes that the DSM 5 committee proposed was eliminating the diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder. According to an article in the New York Times, not everyone is happy about it.
Read A fate that narcissists will hate: being ignored on NYTimes.com.
Snowflake
lol, so true!
In the way you described it, it does make sense, that way. Perhaps it should be in another form of informational book then. Not the DSM. I don’t know, that book seems so legit to me. To add something informative that can not be changed seems pointless.
I have the 4th version. I bought it after finding out about a friend having trichtillomania (sp?). I wanted to understand her more, the disorder more, and the book helped with out her having to talk about it. When I found out abou the narcissism disorder I looked it up there too. The anti-social one I looked up a few days ago, and it seemed pretty vague compared to what you ladies describe it to be here. I always ignored it because I figured it was a person that hates being social.
Snowflake
Btw, thank you for being so formal Od Drover. Makes me feel special 🙂 (sorry, I’m easily amused).
hens
oh my ~! Dark Souls and Black Holes – need we say anything more? run run run run away from their darkness – stay away from the dark soul’s and black hole’s lest you get consumed by their fake light…~!
Ox Drover
Dear Snowflake,
Darlin’ you couldn’t possibly have a more twisted sense of humor or be more easily amused than I am! LOL Henry calls me his “twisted sister”! LOL
Well, there are lots of disorders and diseases for which there are no cures listed and DESCRIBED in medical texts and guides, and diagnosis manuals. The Personality disorders are only ONE kind of thing that there is no “cure” or even “treatment” for.
Before you can FIND a treatment or a cure though, you have to describe and quantify what the PROBLEM IS. So all the DSM-s are are lists of “labels” (names of) different diseases and disorders with the signs and symptoms of those problems.
There was a time that bi-polar had no “name” then they called it “Manic-depressive” which is a sort of descriptive name because the patients have depression at times and at times mania, and there are other descriptive types of bi-polar, like “rapid cycling bi-polar” or with HYPO-mania (a low-level mania not the full blown one) but since there are no blood tests or x-rays that can diagnose bi-polar they have to use DESCRIPTIONS of the behavior to figure out which type of bi-polar it is.
Sometimes bi-polar patients only present to the medical services when they are VERY depressed, so not having seen the mania phase (and the patient generally won’t tell you about them) you may Rx them an antidepressant medication which does improve their depression, but throws them into a FULL BLOWN MANIA—if they come back to see you again, and they are manic (talking rapidly high energy, not sleeping etc) you may then see WOW! This person is probably bi-polar not JUST DEPRESSED, so you give them a mood stabilizer and take them off the antidepressant. May fix them right up, but the medications have to be adjusted from time to time generally.
BUT without a description of this disorder BEFORE there was any treatment or cure, there wouldn’t have been a way to get a treatment (not a cure) at all, so I think it is the same with the personality disorders. It may be “a while” (decades?) before there is a treatment much less a cure, but until you know what is going on ,and are able to quantify and describe it, there’s no way you can even work on a cure. So, yes, there IS BENEFIT in describing a problem that we can’t yet treat or fix…and in the meantime, the rest of us can AVOID THESE PEOPLE LIKE THE PLAGUE!
Ps. I didn’t get your comment about me “being so formal”—don’t think I’ve been “accused” of that before! LOL Usually I’m pretty off the cuff here! (((hugs)))
hens
Od Drover ? was that a typo or is this beat up Oxy week? lmao Od drover how ya doing? Hey my puter died so I went ahead and cancelled internet, so dont email me oxy drover I dont have internet….but if I have a crisis I got yer number…hope everybody get’s a hippo potomus for xmas love and miss you all….
Ox Drover
If you ain’t got internet how in the world are you on Love fraud?
BTW it is ODD DROVER! No one ever said I wasn’t odd!
Nah, I don’t worry about someone getting a bit upset with me, I’ve been down that path before and you can’t please everyone all the time so I don’t worry about the people I can’t please any of the time. When I first came here and got flamed it crushed my soul, but I realize now that people who are in pain themselves strike out at others —remember the article I wrote about forgiving myself?
Like how ANGRY I got at my son D’s friend the night after my husband got killed when she wouldn’t stop chattering away. She was just anxious and upset herself and didn’t know what to say or do but wanted to help, but she wouldn’t shut the Fark up, and I became so angry that I THREATENED TO BREAK HER JAW if she didn’t shut her mouth and not utter another sound! I really would have hit her as hard as I could have because I was so CRAZEE myself, so when people strike out at me, I figure they are in such pain themselves that they almost “need” to find someone else to blame for whatever is hurting them, or why they can’t get the “help” they need here on LF. Sure I’m an opinionated old biddy, but they can ignore me, post around me, whatever…but I figure they are like I was that night, in just so much pain they don’t know which way to turn. So for the time being until if and ever they want to communicate with me, I’ll just do my own thing and they can do theirs. No harm no foul!
Keep in touch Henry, I hope all is well with you and you get your eyes done soon and your vision gets better! I’ll send YOU my hippo potomus for christmas, I already have one, I see it every time I look behind me. (((hugs)))
one/joy_step_at_a_time
hens – are you using smoke rising to the ‘U’ww – the universal wide web?
Ox Drover
Well, he’s a registered Native American (really!) so that’s what he is doing, using smoke signals to the UWW! LOL Good pun, One!
one/joy_step_at_a_time
yah, i know hens is one of the people. me too – just too little to be registered.
one/joy_step_at_a_time
peace out all – i want to go have a soak and a read.