Earlier in the year, Lovefraud submitted a comment giving our views on the draft of the new Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association, DSM 5. We commented on the proposed new term for antisocial personality disorder, “antisocial/psychopathic type,” and the diagnostic criteria.
One of the changes that the DSM 5 committee proposed was eliminating the diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder. According to an article in the New York Times, not everyone is happy about it.
Read A fate that narcissists will hate: being ignored on NYTimes.com.
Snowflake
It was a typo, lol, wow. Sorry OX DROVER!
I pointed out your being former because you addressed the notice with a “dear Snowflake”. I found that amusing is al.
The message you wrote was very insightful. Again, thank you.
Ox Drover
Dear Snowflake, I generally do say “dear X” in a post, but didn’t mean it to be “formal” just “nice” Glad you liked my post, and I usually have a smile on my face (or a “chit-eating grin” as my son D says!) Sorry you have a need to join our “club” but there’s a lot of great information for healing here. Welcome.
Ox Drover
ps snowflake, I am a bit “odd” though! LOL
skylar
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40357712/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/
So they are removing NPD but are they adding this new one? This article says that picky eating is a disorder.
It seems to me that all of the “personality disorders” are just people behaving like toddlers.
Check out the foods that these people prefer:
“peanut butter, crackers, grilled cheese sandwiches, chocolate milk…
Selective eaters tend to like similar foods, with an emphasis on the bland and processed. They love salt. French fries are a favorite. Bacon is the only meat many of them will eat.”
My spath would walk around wearing only a tee-shirt, nothing else and eating a bowl of cheerios. He liked bananas too and macaroni and cheese. BLAH!
aussiegirl
Ox Drover:
“We have to treat them like contagious diseases because they ARE and they rub off evil on everything and everyone they touch! ” – so true. I kept tabs for a few weeks on my x-spath through Facebook and Myspace, using things that he let slip for my court case evidence against him. Problem was, I have to be very honest here and admit two things – (1) I really didn’t need the extra “information” – I already had enough and (2) It quickly became an obsession with me, needing to check in and see what I could “catch” him at – really unhealthy when I has been NC for so long; it dredged all of the anxiety up again… (silly girl) So – I stopped.
hens :
“Dark Souls and Black Holes … run run run run away from their darkness ”“ stay away from the dark soul’s and black hole’s lest you get consumed by their fake light”~! ” – as serious and as true as this statement was Hens, I couldn’t help giggling, trying to imagine what you look like and imagining you “girding up your loins” and making a run for it with those black clouds and the bright lights chasing you… (very theatrical!) (BTW – don’t panic! In my imaginings, you thoroughly out-ran them!)
kim frederick
On their contagion: I read somewhere that people involved with psychopaths, inevitably become one of two things: victims or accomplices.
I know I was persuaded to do things I never would have done, had I not been involved with him. And as far as becoming a victim, well, yeah, but Thank God I’m not a victim anymore!
Ox Drover
Dear Sky, I had forgotten about the tee shirt and cherrios story you told!!! ROTFLMAO OMG I have a GREAT VISUAL ON THAT!!!! BARF!!!! I’ve seen little kids age 1 1/2 or 2 doing that type of thing but a grown man with his willy wagging and a bowl of cherrios in his hand and nothing but a tee shirt hanging off over his fat belly! ROTFLMAO choke snnort snarf–thanks for reminding me of that Sky, that is one of your better stories and brings on peels of mirth in my head!
The high risk taking and so on is part and parcel with them. Also violating the “RULES” of the FAA is a sign that they are taking unreasonable risks. With the home-built planes or the experimentals where the owner is allowed to build and maintain them (s/he) is supposed to be the only one flying them as well, if you cut corners you are the one who dies–a guy that my Hub and I knew built his out of parts bought at Lowe’s or Home Depot instead of aviation quality stuff and my husband kept tellhing him that the fabric he bought at Wal Marts, and the varnish he bought at Lowe’s were NOT what you built a plane out of even if they did LOOK the same…and his plane got off the ground about 25 feet on it’s first flight and disintergrated! Like a pheasant hit with a big load of 12 ga. shot and the man survived, but lost his teeth, broke both arms, etc. I loved flying too, but my hubby was a professional pilot and didn’t cut corners and neither did I when flying…cutting corners off the rules can get ya killed or in serious trouble. Sorry about Austin.
Aussie yep, checking up on them or “emotional or mental stalking” can become an obscession but we don’t have to continue it. I write to my son’s friend “joe” just to fark with their heads really and give them disinformation. Where my house is located it isn’t visible from the highway and there’s really no way for anyone to know if I am here or in Tim-buck-too, or home or traveling. So I have friends send me picture post cards from all over the states and all over the world, and I write notes to “Joe” on them, and then mail them back to my friends, and have them mail them to Joe from where ever they live with my hand writing on them….that way, my P son and his friends have NO idea where I am—can’t find me, can’t hurt me. So as long as they think I am “traveling” all the time in my retirement they might not be as likely to try to put the hurt on me…in fact, this winter, I am traveling in your part of the world and Joe will receive soon his first of 6 or 7 postal cards telling him how warm and nice it is in your part of the world. When I “return to the states” from there, in a few months I will send him cards from New England for a while. Then I’ll move down to texas for a while… LOL
It’s just little stuff to keep the wolves a bit off balance, and to keep them from thinking they know what I am “up to” or where I am or what I am doing. Keeping your stalker confused or not sure where you are is just a defense tactic, but it can also be an enjoyable “game” as you come up with new ways to spread disinformation…as long as you are out of the ACUTE stage of FEAR…which after almost 4 years I am finally getting there. But I do not discount the fact that I could be facing deadly force at any time, either, but I choose to live in CAUTION not terror.
verity
Oxy, I really like your post on here. Happy belated birthday, by the way. 🙂
“Just like you can have viral pneumonia that has the same symptoms as bacterial pneumonia, there may be a few sub types like what they call “borderline PD” but I don’t think BPD is different enough from PPD or NPD that they are 3 different disorders, I think they are variations on the same THEME of personality disorder with maybe having more anxiety issues or abandonment issues in the BPD part, but still the bottom line is PERSONALITY IS DISORDERED.”
If you read the site ‘marriedtoasexaddict’, the men discussed on there are all behaving in exactly the same way as sociopaths, with their manipulation, blame shifting, denial, out and out mind f***ery, and we know that Narcissism is so often the pre-cursor for sex addiction and that sociopaths are usually highly sexual because it’s a way of having power. Like we were saying on the post from Dr Rubenstein yesterday, it’s all on a continuum.
verity
My ex ‘friend’ admits he uses women and plays mind games on them, but says that he then stays friends with them “to make it right.” As though being allowed to remain his friend is the prize!!! Hahahahahaha! Oh dear, unbelievable.
one/joy_step_at_a_time
verity – this is interesting. it sounds like he is trying to imitate some ‘norm’ of what a good person might do – but as he’s a spath, he gets it all wrong.