Unless your abusive partner can feel shame for his violating behaviors, he will make no gains. That’s why I say, no shame, no gain.
By “gain” I mean, of course, the permanent ceasing of his abuse.
This rules-out sociopaths who, by definition, will lack the capacity for shame necessary for personal reform. This is worth repeating, as basic as it is: the sociopath is beyond help, beyond reform. Only his victims can help themselves by escaping, and healing, from him.
And yet shame alone isn’t enough to produce gain. It’s what the abuser does with his shame that’s critical. If he projects his shame defensively into, say, “blame,” then he is going nowhere fast. And unfortunately, all too often this is the case.
And so yes, no shame, no gain. But maybe it’s more accurate to say, no “owned” shame, no gain. Or even more accurately yet, no “responsibly processed” shame, no gain.
After all, only when we own our shame can we do something good with it; only then can we learn from it, grow from it. And I want to be clear that I’m referring here to shame related to the perpetration of harm against others. I’m referring specifically to the shame of the perpetrator, not the shame his abuse engenders in his victim(s).
Notice that I emphasize shame, and not guilt. That’s because guilt, in my experience, is a less powerful change-catalyst than shame. Guilt can be an intellectualized, rote experience. It can also be expiatory, as in, “I did my guilt, I suffered my guilt, now I can start with a clean slate.”
This can be a “clean slate” from which to repeat further transgressions, only to expiate them with yet more guilt, before perpetrating yet new transgressions. Guilt in this instance becomes ritualized enabling, rather than deterring, of future exploitation.
As I said, responsibly processing shame is no easy task—not for anyone, let alone someone with an exploitative orientation. What is it that makes the experience of shame, let alone its responsible processing, so hard for so many narcissistic and, of course, all sociopathic personalities?
The answer, I think, lies in the “ego-syntonic” essence of narcissistic psychopathology. “Ego-syntonic” is just a fancy way of saying that you are comfortable with what you are doing. When what you are doing is consonant, not dissonant, with your concept of your“self,” it is said to be ego-syntonic. It follows that ego-syntonic attitudes and behaviors are unlikely to evoke shame because they aren’t clashing with, or violating, your internal values and self-concept.
Conversely, when what you are doing is clashing with your values and self-concept, it is said to be “ego-dystonic.” And ego-dystonic behaviors are thus likely to produce internal discomfort, including possibly shame.
And so the intractability of severe narcissistic disturbance can be attributed, I think in good measure, to its fundamental ego-syntonicity.
Severe narcissists and other exploiters simply aren’t sufficiently disturbed by their abuse of others for genuine shame to emerge as a potentially transformative experience.
In less severe expressions of narcissism which will fall short of the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder (and, of course, far short of sociopathy), you can find individuals who’ve been extremely self-centered and even abusive, yet who do not want to be experienced as such (either publicly and, more importantly, privately).
In other words, others’ experience of them as abusive violates their self-concept (their self-concept disapproving of insensitivity and hurtfulness towards others). Your knee-jerk reaction may be that such individuals don’t exist, but they do. Even some chronic abusers, while in the minority, can reform.
But I reiterate that it’s not enough that such individuals can sometimes feel shame upon registering the vast discrepancy between their self-concept and others’ experience of them.
Only if, and it’s a big if, these individuals can face their shame and, as I’ve stressed in this post, not disown it, not project it as blame (or in some other toxic form), can their shame sometimes catalyze change.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW)
ErinB—The problem is I DO give my coat away when it is freezing. Literally, I can remember a time I did that. LOL!!! And just recently when we hit terrible turbulence, I mean horrible…and a flight attendant was knocked out behind me, all I did was try to get to her to help her, while everyone else, I later noticed, were making calls on their cell phones, etc. afraid. I don’t even recall being frightened, I just wanted to help her!
I have it BAD.
That is one reason it is so hard to NOT go after the P with everything I’ve got, and try to help his wife, his kids, etc. . I really feel it comes from my compassion, not revenge…just realizing how horrible he is and wanting to stop him. But NC. Sigh. And I’ve done all I can.
Justabouthealed,
Im with you on having it BAD! But at some point we need to have compassion for ourselves!! Just taking care of the most important being to ourselves — ourself…
I remember being in Singapore visiting friends during the Tsunami and one persons recollection of trying to save his wife in the waters amongst many who were literally drowning around him — he had to remove their hands from his arms, legs in order to save himself. It was the most horrific experience in his life ever — he knew he would drown trying to save others…
We must not give our coat away to save others (unless we have a back up one… or we will lose ourselves. We can help others in need but not at the expense of our own livlihood and mental stability and sanity.
That no longer becomes heroic or good — it becomes an unhealthy selfless… at least thats what Im learning about the healthy limitations of “giving”
Dear (((Tilly))))
It IS so disappointing when we think we have found someone to trust and turns out they are trying to use/ambush us too!
A “professional” who is SUPPOSED to get what Ps are all about (this one has written articles etc about Ps) but who I THINK does not get it about Ps and wouldn’t spot one in the wild if it BIT HIS ARSE, told a friend of mine who has (like you and me) had MULTIPLE situations with Ps, he said to her, “It is SO STATISTICALLY UNLIKELY that you have encountered THAT many Ps.” How about THAT for a “nice way” to INVALIDATE SOMEONE AND CALL THEM A LIAR?
This woman has had a set of N/P parents, married a P at age 18 who put a gun to her head, raised a P son who (as an adult) robbed her and left her DESTITUTE, then she had other Ps in her life as significant others, bosses, business partners, etc. It was like she was a P-MAGNENT because she is so sweet and trusting and didn’t see the red flags, or if she did she still didn’t know what she was dealing with until the D & D hit her like a baseball bat. she is now learning, but she is so hurt, so devestated, so tired, so just worn out and distrustful now that recovering will be a long torturous process.
LTL’s above post addressed to JAH is SO RIGHT ON, we must have compassion for OURSELVES. We must stop giving away the very life blood of our hearts to others. If we don’t preserve ourselves, how can we even live to HELP OTHERS?
Thankyou again Oxy,
Yes it is devastating when people belittle what we have been through and don’t believe our hell that we went through. It always makes me wonder if they are just a narcissist themselves. More often than not they ARE.
I may be way off with my interpretation of what my ex S is doing to convince Biddy (his current wife…the woman he left me for) that his is “trying to change” but here’s his deal.
According to her, he tells her that he feels terribly guilty and ashamed of the way he treated me. She says that she feels that if he ever bumps into me anywhere that he’ll apologize. Okay…after she learned of his past behavior with ALL women proceeding her including myself and even after cheating on her and giving her the STDs, he tells HER how ashamed he feels and how sorry he is for what he has done to other people. To my knowledge, not once has he ever offered an apology to his victims for his actions. He tells HER that he is sorry for what he has done to his victims. I may be dead wrong, but I think he ONLY says he’s sorry for what he’s done to others just to keep her where he wants her. If he was truly sorry and ashamed, wouldn’t he feel compelled to offer a direct apology to the victims themselves. He can tell HER he’s sorry all day long for the way he treated other people and it doesn’t do a darn thing to make those other people feel better. BUT, it DOES make her feel better enough to continue to believe in him and keep her snagged. Does it sound as though I’ve got him pegged correctly where his “shame and guilt” is concerned?
TNewman:
As far as I am concerned, you have been right-on about this guy all along, and I am sure you have “got him pegged correctly where his ‘shame and guilt’ is concerned”, too.
It’s unfortunate that Biddy cannot see this.
I also understand the stage that Biddy is in right now, because I was there once myself. And the more people tried to convince me that the man I was involved with was “all wrong for me”, the tighter I would cling to him.
I know that state very well.
I think all we can do at this point is pray for Biddy, because she does not seem to be listening to reason.
This man says he’s sorry, and that he wants to change and be a better man? That is very attractive. Women love men who are trying to change for the better, and many of us will “ride it out” with a man who is trying to change.
If this is the case, then is there actually any REAL change taking place in this man? And if so, how long will it last?
I guess my big question would be is there any authentic change taking place in this man?
Or, is this remorse/”promise to change” just some lyrics he pulled out of one of his songs. He plays in a band, right????
P.S. You really are a Guardian Angel to Biddy through all of this. It is tragic that she is unable to see it clearly.
When there is no shame the torture goes on and on. I have done almost everything right since he left 15 months ago. It is not enough he had affairs, was on sex sites, phone relationships with women he never met and now the SKank next door again. It’s not enough that after 22 years I had to find out who my husband and father of my children really is through divorce records.
Now, after 15 months of lawyers back and forth we are still nowhere and now over the last 10 weeks he has wothdrawn support for the kids. HE opened his BBQue and deliberately let his construction business crumble. He is underemploying himself to lower his income and bring down his earning average of the last 5 years for the support calculation.
Now, I am arguing with my own lawyer who doesn’t seem to get it afterall.
My son didn’t go with his father this past weekend because of a big fight over money. This is the first time it has happened and I get scolded harshly for letting it happen. I am supposed to be above reproach. And my lawyer feels the need to YELL and remind me that the economy is bad and my husband is arguably being effected? That he has a defense for not finding work??? Then why do the guys he laid off have work so easily. Why is my lawyer not understanding MY position? NH has steady customers that he has worked for for years – plant -factory types that ALWAYS have maintenance work to be done. This is DELIBERATE SHAMEFUL FINANCILA SABOTAGE!!!!!
And of course he is claiming the BBQUE is not doing well since it is new -so no money there. So if the economy is bad -which it is – don’t they see how reckless and selfish it was to jeopardize his family’s welfare by opening another RISKY business venture? It’s not like he had money to do this – he put us in deep debt for it. And now his bills are not getting paid and there is no money for support -and MY OWN lawyer thinks he can present a good defense?
IT is summer here, I took off weeks to be with my kids and avoid addition camp costs. Now, without support , I can’t even give them a decent summer . We’ve been lucky enough to get some free tickets to some amusement parks, but I have to watch what I spend on gas and eating out. I have been packing lunches and using coupons where I can.
But I had planned to get in the car and just go. Even the shore house he owns has the gas and cable turned off. We make it through a couple days there – but I still need money to do that – we can’t just sit in the house all day.
How can their father do this to his own kids while he runs around with his SKANK and has his own good time???
Looking at his past activities he NEVER gave a crap about our kids- he preferred spending it with other women and their families.
I am so mad I let this go all these years. Mad at myself for believing his lies. I have no control over my life right now and I think I am getting severly depressed. I am off from work and it’s an effort to get out of bed. I should be cleaning or gardening but I can’t go outside with HER right next door.
The law lets him get away with everytrhing he has done but
I have to hand over my son to this wingnut and not think twice about how he will twist up my childs head and heart.
He was never here for the kids when he lived here and I mcan prove it by his credit card statements now – but does it matter ? NOT ONE BIT!!!!
So here we sit – summer – not being able to do much – because he HAS IT ALL!!! Well if he is in financial trouble it is his own greed that got him there.
I guess I am in a pity party today – but truly – how do we get ahead of these monsters ???
I can’t take much more…..
Steve,
Have you read any of Bandura’s moral disengagement theory? I am in the process of doing so and wonder to what extent narcisists (at least at the lower end of the spectrum)are simply better than the average person at rationalizing their abuse. It would be fascinating to do an fMRI while one of these creature is thinking through their dehumanization of the victim, blaming, etc.
Are those at the lower end of the spectrum capable of experiencing ego dystonic feelings if the flaws in their rationalizations are exposed?
As always, thanks for the thought provoking post.
Hi Rosa,
I’ve hit the wall. I am melting down its periphery and about to dissolve into the liquid of life. I’m not angry, not mad, a little sad but definitely SICK and extremely tired. You will have to sit in for me for a while girl. xo