By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Farwronged i realized it! That psycho was making me crazy.
I was hallucinating with those circular conversations. After hours the asshole hadn’t answer anything, we were at the same starting point but i completely exhausted.
It became clear he was teasing me. And i used to tell it like that “You’re teasing me” so he used to respond too “you’re teasing me”. If i accused him of something he started saying exactly the same to me. I hallucinated at his ability to gaslight.
It’s imposible a real comunication with them.
YES! Absolutely impossible! You will never get the truth out of a spath, even if there is proof in front of their faces! Theyre like the guys on Cheaters who still deny everything, even when it is on tape! LOL Its all a big waste of time. They are not normal. They do not think like us. Between gaslighting, projection, and mimicing. Thats how they make their way through relationships. They try to sex you up to keep you under their wings. And theyre just ‘nice enough’ to keep you comfortable when they want something. I think back and its funny my spath broke up with me but came running back because I had an event coming up. (I am an event planner) He was wining and dining, and promising change, etc. All because he knew I was about to receive a huge pay out for work. Predictable!
However, despite their faulty intuition, because their intuition, having no feelings the poor creatures, is a disaster. They somehow have kind of an ability to see inside some sides of you very clearly. How they do it? And at the same time they also miss much of other information.
They miss other information because it is not relevant to them. They study you like books. Not you per se, but your character. They have to make sure youre good prey. Most men would love us for our honesty, virtue, kindness and so do spaths in their own sick way. See, with those qualities it is easier for them to exploit, use, and hurt us. They love vulnerable, kind, and independent women. Nice women make the best victims.
In the beginning, my spath asked me all kinds of questions. He wanted to know everything about me and my family. He was looking to see if I had good upbringing, morals and ethics. I took all this questioning as him just really being into me and interested. He then started laying the pity ploy. Everyone has abandoned me throughout my life blah blah…being the sweetheart I am I promised to always hang tough in the bad times. That was music to his ears.
Funny, when I had a degree, he had one year left until his BS. When I mentioned I mentored kids, so did he, Autistic children. It was all LIES! LOL He had to be like me in order to make us compatiable. They study your every move, your reactions to things they say, even your facial gestures. Mine would watch me a lot during sex to see how I responded to him or the different things he did. They have to be everything you want and need in the beginning but it is only to get you hooked.
Farwronged, i think you’re right they try to be what one wants or needs. But just if it is easy? Mine said to me when things were wrong “You’re strange” and i know he was serious and meant “you’re hard”
He gaslighted me but my “type” in his book seems he hadn’t studied it enough.
Probably because of my fault he has written a new chapter in his prey book: the tricky, irritating, unpredictable and crazy prey. 😀 And maybe he has even put spanish women in his black list, toguether with the italian ones, who according to him were already because of youthful experiences.
((((((((((((((((((((( tobe ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
My goodness girl. I wondered when you’d be back 🙂
I’ve reached the point of being okay being alone. It’s hard, sometimes, brutal, but I’m just now finding my way back to myself.
What a road this is. Five months now. It hurts worse now than it did at two but for DIFFERENT reasons.
I read this stuff here and I see how far I’ve come and how far I need yet to go.
I’m okay with that. I had a big enlightenment today, a HUGE AHA moment…filled with grief, but knowing that God’s grace abounds.
I stopped beating the shit out of myself.
What a welcome relief to move forward.
I”m glad you’re doing well, tobe. On my heart and mind often.
I’m sorry for the pain of your child. But you’re in the know. All will work itself out. I just believe it.
HUGS
LL
In reading these posts, I have been so discouraged. My problem. I’ve wanted my ex spath to suffer, but ya know what>? The reality is that he isn’t, having landed a new gf, new car and new truck for his daughter. He goes on, moves on, as if I, his two ex wives and other OW never meant a thing. We served a purpose. That’s all.
Yes there is fallout here. Such an interesting day. I’ve been so angry….why does he get away with what he does and i’m having to eat crow and ask for MORE assistance to keep my electricity on, while suffering from severe depression, PTSD, etc? WHY DOES HE GET AWAY WITH IT?
Well, the reality, is that he does. I may never and probably WILL NEVER see justice in what he’s done, not just to me, but so many others.
In Martha Stout’s book, “The Sociopath Next Door” the low/no conscienced disordered is addressed at length…and the question posed.
Would you rather have conscience or none at all?
I suppose in reality, it would be GREAT if we didn’t feel the PAIN we do and we could just move on and it makes no difference….but the forgoes other things that they have to live with everyday that we don’t…..they live to destroy. They feel every single ache and pain as many are so self absorbed they’re hypochondriacs, they LIE to live…..not ONE truth is lived in ANY of their relationships. Try to imagine that. I did. Well, it doesn’t go very far.
Yes, if I had a choice, I’d rather have a conscience, so now I’ve decided to give more of my time and healing to that reality, as well as to those who are the same, rather than wasting time with those who are not and can’t, and as Sky has shared with me, they would rather we waste our time trying to figure them out.
Our sorrow, vulnerabilities, our empathy, feeds them.
That is very sad.
I’d rather feel. I’d rather live life knowing that I have guilt over the pain I’ve caused, even though that pain is so much sometimes I’d rather off myself, because guess what?
They feel none of that at all. None of it.
And I think that God DOES protect those of us that HAVE conscience.
I remember 9/11. spath and I had just become intimate not too long before. He came to my apartment that morning hearing the news. NOT ONE FACIAL EXPRESSION ABOUT IT…but his VOICE could FAKE expression where his FACE could not. It was astounding to me at the time and I missed that huge red flag, as well as the reality that BOTH were not present, facial expression and REAL EMPATHY. I will NEVER miss that again in my life. Ever.
God bless you all.
LL
Eva you were only strange because you did not do what HE wanted you to do. My spath said the same thing, that I was trying to challenge him or he couldnt figure me out. As much as he got over on me doing bad things it was becuase this angered him. He did not get his way. When I was readily avaiable for sex or attention he was the nicest guy ever. It wasnt until I disagreed with him when his horns would show. Spaths are are lazy so of course they hate hearing NO and working hard for anything. Then i do believe some love a challenge but not for long due to easy boredom.
LL no matter what material shit that jerk acquires remember he is and always will be an empty hollow shell. Those clothes, cars, and homes are for show off remember. He cannot possible be happy with just that. Its just a possession just as you were once to him. He will never buy a boat, sail the sea, and actually genuinely know what it feels to be happy while doing it. he will never feel that joy as we do! Fuck him!
Far,
Mine withheld sex when I pissed him off. He also withheld affection and blamed it on me. Or it was some physical ailment (constant) as to why he couldn’t/wouldn’t spend time with me. This was after I had done or said something wrong to which I wasn’t sure was wrong!
The more I read these posts, the happier i am to be out and FREE Of it!! WHAT A NIGHTMARE TO TRY TO KEEP A SPATH HAPPY, THEY WILL NEVER BE, WHETHER IT”S YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE>
UGH!!! WHAT A NIGHTMARE!
LL