By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
The poor one didn’t know well how fussy and rebelious i was able of being LOL
Good night all. Thanks for the clarifications and explanations, farwronged.
Mine never withheld sex. He was like a horny machine. He would make up things to be mad about during the devalue stage so it was almost like I knew when a break up was coming along. He would break up with me when another woman came into the picture and if it failed then he would call me back up. And no they will never be satisfied. They say they want someone to be submissive and do what they want but whenyou are youre too weak so they humiliate you. I think they sleep around looking for happiness but they can never seem to find it. Nothing is fulfilling because they are not fulfilled on the inside. Remeber happiness begins with you and they simply are not happy with their true selves. Its a horrible way to live.
LL
My spath did the same thing. Refused to spend time with me, withheld sex, etc. It was all about control.
I can’t understand why I have this hole in my heart. I suppose it is because I am capable of love, and I loved him.
I am glad to be away from him as much as it hurts.
Last night I went out to dinner with two normal men from work (work related) and it was so nice to be around normal human beings who express normal emotion.
My spath was SO WEIRD and I just didn’t know what it was.
I didn’t recognize it, I didn’t say “WTF”.
I’m never going to be the same.
Superkid
The emotional abuse is horrible. I experienced that with mine. He also had beautiful dark brown eyes that would turn black. Mine only withheld sex after he moved in with me after his wife found out about us and kicked him out. We actually had amazing sex though the night before he walked out. He had withheld for almost 2 weeks and that was the longest we’d ever gone without doing it. Suddenly the night before he was all wanting to do it and talking about having a child again and he was apologizing for lying to me and how everything was going to be ok now. He was ok with the divorce.
Being the OW sucked worse than anything ever. The only reason I allowed myself to be it was that my self esteem was so low and he had me so brainwashed. It was SO unbelievably painful and the guilt I had from it for so long was killing me-I really seriously wanted to die. It took me so much praying and confessing to get over all that and feel like I was forgiven and that God didn’t hate me for it. I thank God that I survived. Now it’s two years later and it’s almost the relationship never happened.
After he turned into Mr. Hyde and walked out, my self esteem was even lower and I never thought I would get it back. It all came back the other day on the two anniversary of the breakup. I was able to verbalize what he did without tears and sadness. It was so horrible though to go from that night, where he was telling me how much he loved me, etc to him coming home that day and saying. ” I don’t love you anymore! I never did love you! I only used you for sex and I never want to see you again.” I can think about it and not be sad. Thank God it’s long gone.
It feels so good to be at the point where I actually want a relationship again-even though I don’t think I’m ready for one. Now I know all about taking it slow and taking precautions and how to see red flags. I will NEVER ignore those red flags again. Now they are blatant and waving wildly in front of me. I still think I have the invisible ink on my forehead that says “Psychopaths welcome” and only they can see it. I am glad to truthfully be back out as a true full on lesbian woman and I am owning that. Any thoughts about me being bisexual are over now. It’s time that I am completely honest with myself, although I don’t wear it on my sleeve as a badge of honor.
I am unemployed and about to go on govt assistance for the 1st time in my life but I feel free and truly myself for the first time. I was paying lip service to trusting God with my life and now I have to be real. It’s me and him and no one else. I feel like no one can take me down. The psychopaths from the old job who forced me out can’t do anything anymore. I don’t have the stress of being with them on a daily basis anymore and knowing what they are. I gained 35 lbs from a year of working with a whole department full of spaths and I am reclaiming my life back from them. Even though I am struggling so much financially and about to have my utilities shut off, I feel like getting fired from there was the best thing that could have happened, even though it was wrongful termination. I am praying and hopefully others will too that when I have my hearing to appeal the unemployment that the judge will see what they did and force them to relinquish the unemployment. I just pray and pray everyday.
Thanks all for your words of encouragement, they’re like a lifeline to me now!
Interestingly, after I posted my initial post yesterday my spath’s GF started texting me asking questions (which I answered VERY honestly), then we spoke on phone for about a half hour. What an eye opener! She said their relationship began March 15, ONE DAY after I broke up with him! I told her he’s cheated on her at least 3 times since then (with me), although I didn’t know he was with anyone the first two times, and the third he convinced me she was just a drinking buddy.
Then, she told me he punched her grown son in the face a few weeks ago! I bit my tongue, wanting to ask why she’s still with him after that but, because people have asked me that so many times about why I stayed after he did something cruel to me, which I always HATED, I didn’t.
They’ve been “together” 7 weeks, and the verbal abuse and cheating have started already. Also, he told her he’s had a vasectomy and he hasn’t! Any jealousy I felt for her and their so-called relationship evaporated yesterday, never to return!
It sounds like she’s had enough and will dump him but, as we all well know, that may not happen now or for a long time. He, as predicted, told her I’m crazy, so how much she believes I don’t know.
Although I feel for her–she seems nice and I’m sure she is–I’m now fearful he’ll start trying to contact me if she in fact comes to her senses and leaves. I’m steeled for it and will not let him in my life again, but the trouble he can cause is not something I want to deal with now.
Anyway, yesterday I felt really good, like maybe I’d sent a little bad karma his way, but today I’m back to having the ever-present knots in my stomach. I guess I’ll just take it one day at a time.
You sound good, today, Nolarn. You sound rational, and accepting, and peaceful. I’m so glad. Good progress!
Thanks Kim. I just had a call from the N mother who I tried to make peace with yesterday. That thing is already saying things to stress me out and antagonize me and push my buttons and it is not OK. Everytime I let her in this happens. I can’t trust her as far as I can throw her. I have had people close to me tell me to keep her out of my life because everytime I let her in she upsets me. I am so tired of it. I need to be at the realization that since I am progressing well and getting strong that it is ok that both N parents are out of my life and that’s ok. It is hell having two N parents. They attack and they both do it in different ways. He is the bully and she is manipulative and does things making the excuse that she just cares about me and wants to help. If you really care about me then stop PUSHING MY FUCKIN BUTTONS ALL THE TIME. They don’t care-they are just pushing their agendas. Now I am in a bad mood.
Take a deep breath, and detach. Of course she pushes your buttons, she’s the one who installed them!!!
Maybe you need to take a break from these family relationships, and focus on getting your life an track. Later, when you are feeling stronger, and have learned more skills in dealing ith these people, and your emotional responses to them, you can try again, if you want. Maybe you won’t want to. That’s up to you. But I do know that you are very reactive and it’s important that you not take everything so personally. You can learn to gray rock it, and shrug it off. You know what to expect from her, right. If you know what to expect, why do you think, “this time it will be different?” That’s what trips you up. You get emotionally blind-sided, thinking you can control her behavior, feelings, thought, opinions, etc.etc.etc.
If you can get to the point that you trust her to stay in charactor, you won’t be so taken off guard.
For now, breath, stay in the moment, don’t ruminate on angry thoughts and feelings, and take care of you.
What is gray rock?
That’s what I have so much trouble with-gray rockin people. I let my buttons get pushed. I was feeling guilty cuz most people do not find it normal to push your family out of your life. I just wish I had a normal family. When you push them out, other people don’t understand why you do it cuz they haven’t been there and then they think there’s something wrong with me. I had a conversation with my neighbor last night who I am crushing on. I did something that hurt her when I wasn’t thinking last week because I was so caught up in myself. I was feeling awful and wanted to get straight with her. We talked last night and I thought everything was OK. I shared some stuff with the mother yesterday and she started telling me how my friend was still being hurt by me and that I was probably still causing her pain. I think the only reason that she’s doing this is that she gets the vibe that something romantic may eventually occur between my friend and I-that we will become more than just friends. I would like that to happen but I’m not pushing the issue. I’m letting it develop naturally and we’ll see. My religious fanatic mother is so freaked out about the idea of her daughter being romantically involved with a woman. She knows it happened before and she’s trying to prevent it from happening again.
Why can’t I learn to gray rock these people and not let it bother me? I can’t even really associate with my siblings either because they are in with the mother and will tell her anything that I tell them. I have no family anymore and I don’t want my friend to think there’s something wrong with ME. She told me that she was glad to see me make an effort with my mother, but she doesn’t know about the dynamic between us and the narcissism. I really don’t want her to know until we get more comfortable around each other. The friendship is moving slow with her. We are just getting to that point where we are starting to trust each other as friends. I don’t want to now be all worried about things again. Last night we talked and I apologized and we were ok. She wasn’t as upset as I thought she was to begin with. Then the mother gets me all worried about it again.