By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
H2H-It’s not about him finding me a job and it doesn’t have to do with finances. I am trying to stay at this second house for a few nights during the week so I don’t have to commute 2 hours each way for work. I found my own work. I just need a place to stay.
Dear Nolarn,
When you ask favors of someone you give them control over you and any information that you give them…..so, I made up my mind that I would live in a card board box and eat out of a McDonald’s dumpster before I would ask my egg donor for a dime.
“Favors” granted by these control freaks ALWAYS have strings attached to them, so if you do not want to dance like a puppet to your egg donor’s pulling the strings….don’t take any favors from her.
As far as giving her ammunition (secrets) and expecting her not to shoot you with it….ROTFLMAO….you need to use this as a great object lesson GF because you dun stepped in it and need to wipe your shoe.
As for the Uncle…I don’t know what your relationship with him is or how much you can trust him (my bet is not much) but use your judgment on that. I would (even if I did trust him) NOT give him much information other than “Hey, Uncle Jack, I need some help getting a job, think you could help me…you know how mom is she gets all excited…but If You could help I’d appreciate it. I’m kind of burned out on nursing right now and I’d really like job as dispatcher at the sheriff’s office or at 911 or something like that.”
Just keep it light and simple.
Your life lately has been filled with crisis after crisis, drama after drama, including the woman next door and the crush on her. MY OPINION FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH is that you need to AVOID DRAMA and get some CALM and PEACE and quiet time in your life, not another “relationshit” to worry about and ruminate over.
As long as you keep or allow the drama to continue you are not going to make a lot of progress except crisis management and we all know how that turns out don’t we?
2bcop ~ OK, that’s great that you found a job! Glad to hear that. So, can you contact him directly an NOT go through your mother?
Hey, who knows? It could be that you would only need to stay there for a very short time. Maybe there is someone from your area that also commutes that you could do ride-share. Time will tell.
Far Wronged –
I just posted on another link about how my exSpath used to “study” me as well – especially during sex! it’s degrading.
but also, to comments he would make and actions – just to study my reactions. it got to the point that I did go gray rock all the time and kept any emotions or words inside.
Also – someone else who watches Cheaters…. I think there’s a blog here somewhere about the reality shows that we watch now that we know – and yes, doesn’t matter if it’s a guy or a girl caught red handed, they always deny it, or come around and instantly blame the one being cheated on!
Exercise your right to be informed.
Ya’ll I want to be rid of the drama. The N mother doesn’t want me approaching her brother on my own and I have issues with that-big FREAKIN BOUNDARY ISSUES with that. It’s her way of maintaining control.
Oxy, I do so want the drama to be over. I need to pray or do something to figure out how to not pay attention to my lady next door. It is NOT good for me to have these feelings. I think I’m gonna tell my N mother that it is best to keep her brother out of it and cut the strings off me. I just sent a text message to her doing just that!
Nolarn, what your mother is doing is often found in dysfunctional family dynamics. It’s called triangulation. It involves three (or more) people. It involves secrecy. It involves power and dependance. It involves control, and fear.
Google triangulation and dysfunctional relationships. It might help you a little to learn about it.
You don’t have to honor your mother’s request that you not involve your uncle directly. You may suffer some repercussions by her, but that’s a choice you have to make. You recognize that it’s a power play on her part. You don’t have to play by her rules. It’s your life and you can decide to behave in the way that best suits you. You have that right.
I will stress, again, try to stay gray rock, whenever you are dealing with her. It will take the wind out of her sails. It will empower you, and it will help you stay out of emotional crisis.
Don’t give her any more amunition by trusting her with personal information.
Kim-I won’t and that’s why I sent a message saying that I want the whole thing called off. I know how her family is and her brother will not keep it between him and me and it is likely that he’ll blow me off if I go to him directly. He will take the attitude of “why should I help you when you are treating your mother this way” (meaning cutting her out of my life) and he will refuse to help unless I let her in. That’s how they are and I don’t know WHY I thought it would be any different this time. I won’t be on a string and I won’t be controlled. I will look up triangulation like you said and see what insight it has to offer me. I can’t do this anymore. She hasn’t responded to the message yet and she will start playing games when she does respond-like refusing to stop calling, texting, and emailing when I ask her to stop. It will end up me hanging up on her and refusing to anwer her anymore. This time I may even block her from my cell phone.
Sheila L: yes, they watch your every move. I will never forget the way he looked at me and his daughter. I was playing with her and it was almost like he was trying to see what to do so he could do the same. His eyes went from her to me again and again. He even blamed me for not spending time with her. Omg..I always o suggested we get her for a fun day and it never happened.
superkid,
try to keep find situations you can be around those sorts of “normal” interactions with people. you need to be reminded that those are the majority of the interaction in the world. a spath makes us feel so isolated, which we mistake for special, and we forget sometimes that THAT is the weird situation, that is the minority.
One of the first times i went out with a girlfriend of mine after my spath relationship ended, i cried because she kissed me on the cheek as a greeting when i walked in the place. she has always done that, she is very touchy, but i had completely forgotten that was normal.
my friend said omg waht what what is wrong!!! and i said to her “you are touching me” and i just started sobbing.
it hit me so hard then how completely bizarre my spath was, and i had been sucked in to his world and i thought i really started thinking it was normal and acceptable to have an SO who demanded my presence, but never greeted me with any warmth when i arrived, never even held the door open for me.
enjoy your friends and co workers and accquaintances who treat you like the decent human being you are. you deserve it.
Nolarn, try this: http://peterfox.comcomau/family_triangles.htm
I just googled and thought it was really good.