By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
tobecop
Your career choices, nurse and cop are also “rescuer” roles. They are both filled with drama. You want to be a rescuer so bad but for the first time in your life you feel like you need rescuing. And you ARE trying to get attention so that someone will rescue you and the only way you know is to create drama.
Getting a job should help things, but there might be more to this. There was drama at your old job, and then you got fired. Be more observant of yourself and your motivations. You may uncover something that you need to work on which is sabotaging your life. It may have to do with wanting to be a rescuer.
2bcop ~ I just looked up Division of Vocational Rehabilitation.
Here is a link specific to Louisiana: http://wwwprd.doa.louisiana.gov/LaServices/PublicPages/ServiceDetail.cfm?service_id=2857
This may be a place where you can get some assistance in dealing with the issues that you’re going through right now.
I don’t need any assistance with career choices. I was pushed into my current one and I never wanted to be there. I have wanted to be a police officer since I was a tiny child and only didn’t do it because I was being controlled and intimidated by fucking controlling parents who didn’t want me to do it.
This is all that I am saying on the subject. My career choice is non-negotiable at this point-especially with people I don’t even know weighing in on it. It looks like I may need to take a step back from this site again. I’ve done it before and these comments are crossing my boundaries and it’s not acceptable to me. Thanks for trying to help. These last two comments directed towards me feel antagonistic and make me feel just like my parents make me feel. This is about me and no one else. No one else in this freakin world gets any say so in what I do accept me.
2bcop ~ I was NOT suggesting that you change your career choice.
They generally offer counselling services too. I was thinking that it might be free of charge.
Folks here are only offering advice/opinions. You are free to pick and choose which direction to take. It has to feel right for you.
Either way, do take care of yourself. I hope you will reconsider and continue to post. We do CARE.
Hi Ya’ll,
One thing we must respect in each other…..as survivors of a spath relationship, is our voices.
We were all silenced for so long, that we are just finding our voices and it’s impossible to ask any one of us to be silenced….again.
When someone comes to LF and spills thier life…..we all offer our best intended advice. hard to receive or not…..most of it is intended for aid. (trolls not included)
We have all travelled a hard jouney. We have all learned lessons in life, discovered things about ourselves and come to realizations that we never thought about.
It’s about cleaning our own ‘closets’.
Sometimes it’s difficult to get rid of the ugly stuff we’ve held onto our whole lives, hanging in our closets.
It’s necessary to follow our own evolution without continuing the same patterns.
I have read numerous posts stating….”i’m going to take a break from LF” and funny enough…..this comes as people are offering realistic advice or their opinions to someone they ‘care’ about…..a fellow survivor.
These statements are another attempt at attention……whether we realize it or not.
Any time we ‘declare’ something……it’s an attention seeking and often recieving…… smokescreen.
“i’m going to lose weight”. “I’m going to quit smoking” yadayada…..well people…..those who are serious….just DO IT!
We can’t come to LF for only the kudos….the cheerleaders……we are all here to heal and discover through others experiences and choices and how they relate to our own.
The lessons worth learning….and needing to be learned are always the hardest to swallow.
When we find ourselves getting ‘offended’ by well meaning people…..here or anywhere….in places where we have a tract record of being genuinely supported…….it’s certainly worth a pull back and take a look privately at the issues raised.
Just sayen………
EB ~ well said! Thank you 🙂
ErinB-thank you. I just find that unfortunately when certain people post things to me I feel triggered and I am struggling as you say, to find a voice that I never had due to my past. Sometimes I feel like I would rather step back if I feel like my buttons are pushing. I appreciate that people are not trying to trigger and are trying to be helpful but sometimes you just feel reactive and when I get that way, it’s better that I abide by the old quote, “If you can’t something nice, then don’t say anything at all”. I don’t want to be rude to people on here-I have in the past when I felt reactive and triggered and I’m not doing it again. I’m not going to be that woman. I feel bad right now and I am choosing not to take that out on other people. ((hugs))
I’m sorry for being reactive and I am also sorry for making the comment about “stepping back or taking a break”. As Kim said before, those kind of statements are me creating drama. Believe it or not, I didn’t even know until recently that I was creating drama. Apparently I am creating it because it was the only thing I was trained and brought up with the N parents, and it’s a hallmark of people in my situation. I am freaked out right now with trying to figure out how to change my behavior-now that I’m aware of it. I’m struggling with that bad. I feel defeated about it. I feel like everytime I open my mouth I’m going to say something wrong. I should have just quietly stepped back w/o making a comment about it.
EB,
Wise advise. I know I have been guilty of this sort of behavior and it is to get some kind of attention or because I feel sorry for myself. It’s a hard place to be and even harder to find your way out of it.
I appreciate when people are open and honest with me although I don’t always want to hear it.
This last year I have learned some hard lessons, one of them was when my therapist said that I allowed him to control me. I could have said no when he said I couldn’t take the promotion or when he didn’t want me to work. I need to take responsibility for my lack of action.
Part of me wanted to say, hey, hold up there, I’m the vicitim. But I chose to hold in my voice and to not make waves.
Today I met with a specialist on personality disorders, she has dealt a lot with narcissism and sexual addiction and was VERY helpful. She got it, not like the last phd (poop head doctor) and said that I may have enough to get a restraining order against him. I need to go through so bills to see if he took my mail out of the box.
I saw him look pretty angry at the last counseling session for our son. I never see him angry or out of control so I might need to seek out the police and at least establish documentation. Hope he doesn’t ramp it up. If he gets a girlfriend then chances are he’ll stop his crap. I could put his name on craigs list or spaths seeking spaths for a love connection.
2BCop:
I can empathize about being triggered. I remember when I was first raw and on LF, I’d maybe not agree with someone who’d I’d developed a ‘relationship’ with…..I respected their writings to me and others…..and then….something hit hard.
I decided that I was not going to be able to communicate my feelings in writing, and maybe it’s time for me to reflect…..alone.
I find, that when I see myself ‘arguing’ or defending myself, thoughts or feelings…..it’s time to step back and take an honest look at ME!
Why am I feeling the need to explain, defend or argue.
Whether it’s ‘me’ or ‘them’…..It’s MY life….so it’s about me.
IT’s okay to walk away from the computer…..we all need to do that……even in the closest of relationships, we need space to process our own thoughts.
This is a healthy choice……
Good for you for recognizing your ‘reactions’, and good for you for making a healthy choice for YOU!
XXOO
EB