By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
…or rather “spaths seeking spaths for a control connection”. No love involved there, nada.
ErinB-I don’t want to be mean to people that are trying to help me (tears). I don’t want to be that person. I am 38 yrs old and I am just now realizing how much I have not worked through the crap that made me this way. This all came out after seeing the N mother 2 days ago. I just don’t want to be ugly. There has been so much ugliness put on me in my life and I want it to stop here. I don’t want to put it out on other people.
2BCop;
What a huge step of growth……your last post. (we posted over each other!)
Change comes slowely……sometimes it seems tooooo slow. But, ‘ll tell ya, it’s about recognizing and taking responsibilty for ourselves and reactions and emotions….etc….what we create! THAT IS THE stumbling block. Once over that……it’s downhill from there……
Don’t be hard on yourslef…..and allow the process of healing….
ALLOW THE PROCESS!!!!!
I remember when I first discovered how dramatic my life was. It was towards the ‘end’ of marriage. I couldn’t understand why there was daily issues…..spath liked drama….I became addiced to it. It was ‘normal’ in my life with him.
I never realized it……until I got tired.
Then I started trying to minimize and streamline my life…..and couldn’t…..he brought it in…..
I don’t think he even realized it…..I sure didn’t.
I find, still, at times…..between the kids and the stalking issues……drama appears…..I am now programed to difuse it…..when recognized.
One of the profound statements JR made the first month spath was gone…..”Wow, it’s so peaceful in our house’.
If we keep concentrating on the drama issues…..we miss whats ‘really’ going on in our life….it’s a diversion.
Trust me…..it doesn’t go away immediately, because we are drawn to it…..but when you live situations away from drama, you realize just how ‘easy’ life ‘can’ be…..and you continue to take measures to recognize and stop the drama from entereing or living in your home.
It’s a habit which needs to be built up.
You’ve already made the biggest hurdle……
HUGE STEP 2BC~!
Another thing…..and I don’t know why….but this has also helped me.
I spent 28 years appologizing to EVERYONE…..for anything…..
When I booted spath, I decided I wasn’t going to appologize for anything, unless my actions or words were intentional and mean.
Yes, I am sorry people are hurting…..yes, I am sorry things happen to others…..it’s the compassion I recognize. But I had to make a conscious effort to stop internalizeing others hurt.
I specifically DO NOT say…..I’m sorry anymore…..unless I have caused them pain.
I am very conscious of just how often I have the need to say…..’I’m sorry’……and it’s A LOT!
Don’t ever appologize for hurting……we all hurt.
All we can do is continue to grow…..and that, my dear is what I am seeing from you!!!
XXOO
EB
Anyone have trouble maintaining no contact when so much time has passed? Been over two years now, we are so far away, contact is so minimal, and now, it’s like the tables are turned and he is the “normal” one – all polite, and friendly, and….still infuriating because he has just glossed over everything he did as if it never happeend, and has no concept of the pain he has caused, and still causes to the children, and the effect this will have on their futures, and no concept of or consideration for the practical difficulties we face because of him. Yet still, makes me feel “crazy” perpetuating the no contact, when he is on his best behaviour. Know that I am definitely much happier with no contact. But know also it stresses the kids to who wish we were at least “friends” – makes them feel like they have to choose, even though I reassure them that their relationship with their father is between them. Anyone else struggling with this? I know that once the door is opened, he will shove his way in. He has done it before – in the midst of all the Hell, I refused to be baited, and he took my calmness to an indication that I was, I suppose, ok with everything, or even ok with him in some way – and he asked me to forward him the resume that I had created for him! Anyone else struggling? Also, he still doesn’t pay support o time or regualalry – but regularly enough to make any complaint on my part “silly” – but seriously think my lack of complain also makes him think it is fine. Should add, he is very happy right now – possbile reason for his “nice” behaviour. Thanks
I can’t stress enough how…>EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON…..If we see this statement as true, it’s easier to not be so hard on yourself.
Keep searching for the meaning……
Out of all the shiat which has occured in my life the past 5 years……it’s ALL lead somewhere…….
Whether you call it God, destiny or universe……one thing leads to the nextstep.
It’s harder to step back and see the really really bad things….like cancer…..taking me somewhere…..especially when going through the treatments…..but somewhere I had the strength…..to believe this.
Today…..each situation….each step reveals itself…..and I would put my life on this statement!!!
Trust, believe…and have faith.
Goingthroughthe motions-yes, having trouble. Brought the N mother in 2 days ago because I was feeling the discomfort of discarding my entire family. I had NC for a year with her. Big HUGE mistake cuz the drama came back 10 fold and I immediately panicked and through her back out.
I don’t know about you but I didn’t know how to be or feel with all of them gone. The drama is gone without the family. I don’t know how to act now, so I’m creating drama cuz I don’t know anything else and I’m totally freaked out by it. So, no, you’re not alone.
EB-it sound crazy to say this but the past few weeks after discarding N father and before I let N mother back in, it was just me and GOD. I am going through all of this with no job, no money,fear of losing home and car but yet feeling extremely peaceful for the first time. I couldn’t let myself enjoy that peaceful long enough cuz I started feeling really exposed and alone, w/o the drama. That’s why I can’t believe that I had to go and create some. It doesn’t make sense.
Goingthroughthemotions,
It’s hard to not put a space in your name.
Oh yes, I am very familiar with this smelling like a daisy thing from the ex. I don’t know how they do it but somehow they look amazing while we look crazy.
You do not have to be friends or friendly because it will make it easier on the children. What about easier on you? I think of my interactions with soon to be ex as business. It’s like someone you need to do business with but you know they are a weasel. Be to the point with no emotion. No anger, no extra kindness, just “here is the children’s schedule, do you have any questions?”
Do not put yourself in an uncomfortable situation to please someone else. Isn’t that what got us here to begin with? You are not being unkind or mean to not want to be his friend.
Plus, it kills me that they can end up looking good. I have no reason to play nicey nice with a weasel who looks good.
GTTM:
We must commit to NC for life!
If you must for the kids…..then only contact FOR the kids.
I just had a convo with a friend about how time diminishes the raw emotions and softens our experiences. During ‘weak’ times….when they are in nice mode….we must remember the snapshot in our mind of how they really are.
My restraining order….long term will be up next month…..and I’ve been thinking a lot about this, and how I will react when he does contact me or the kids……
I made up my mind, after much thought……the only thing I will ever say to him again is…….after he goes on an on…..”Well spath…..afterall, wasn’t it all just a game anyways’…..and walk away.
This will leave him with bitterness……the bitterness of a backspath.
I have no reason to speak to him for the kids…..I have NO REASON to communicate with him again!
Thank god for that!!!!
Becaues……I KNOW WHO HE IS!!!! HE WON”T CHANGE…..it’s only temporary, and it’s all a facade!
EB,
You have a backbone of steel!!! No amount of fake farking charm will get to you. Thank goodness!
It’s totally unfortunate that you need to even think about seeing him in your home town again. Wonder if the bear is hungry? Is there some sort of scent you could spray on the spath that attracts bears? OOOhhhhh, you could really mess with him.