By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
De4ar Nolarn,
Yes, I agree with Henry, you ARE your own worst enemy….you keep looking forward to “when This happens I will be happy” when I lose weight, when I can get back to the academy and be a cop, and ya da, ya da, it is always WHEN X, Y OR Z happens you will be happy….but YOU never make any of these things happen….
OK we suggest you make some new friends,and you say “It’s my mama’s fault I don’t know how.” OK, you are an ADULT LEARN HOW to make friends and then make one….just one….
You are playing a game of “yes, but…” we make a positive suggestion to help you feel better and ;help you move down the road toward healing and you say “yes, Great suggestion, but I can’t do it because….” and then eventually we run out of suggestions and you are still miserable…..
Everyone here has told you all this TAKES —-TIME, PATIENCE and WORK,—- you don’t seem willing to give it any of those three things. Also, getting to be a cop ain’t gonna magically make you happy. If weighing jtoo much is keeping you from being a cop then if you REALLY were willing to work on being a cop, you’d do what I am doing, and LOSE THE WEIGHT by disciplining yourself to eat less and exercise more CONSISTENTLY.
Nolarn, we DO WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO….so if you really really want to be cop, and you need to lose weight to do it, you will lose the weight. But I can tell you that JUST being a cop ain’t gonna make you happy. YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOU HAPPY. So quit wallowing in your pity party and TAKE ACTION! You CAN DO IT!!!! We are here to cheer you on, but until YOU take action all our suggestions aren’t gonna help you. YOU ARE NOT ALONE, you do have friends here….and if you can make friends here, you can make them anywhere! So get up off your dead arse and DO SOMETHING…even if it’s wrong! ((((hugs))))
Oxy-I am going to try to do what you say. I gotta figure out where to go to hang out. I want to play football. That’s why I am working on getting in shape. I don’t really know where to hang out or meet people.
Oxy ~
Back a few comments ago – about your adopted son D – I know what you mean, I hit pure gold with my adopted son (also D). He makes sure that we have a date for dinner every Mother’s Day, just he and I. He takes great care in planning the whole thing and I get the same type of card as you do.
Ironically, I always say I NEVER can regret adopting the P daughter because if I had not adopted her I would never have adopted my son. He was first my foster child and I knew from the beginning he would never leave. I truly believe God works in mysterious ways.
Happy Mother’s Day to all you Moms.
Love – MiLo
2bcop – your in new orleans, right? well I am sure there are some, if not many lesbian bars…lesbians love sports, base ball, football, bowling etc. shirley you can find a gay girl bar/club….please get your self pumped up and go out tonite – if you will I will? let me know, kinda like a virtual date for us?
Okay, I am going to say that Hens Idea STINKS…..my granddaughter is gay and the only place she met real PSYCHOPATHIC GAY FOLKS WAS IN GAY BARS….soooooo, DO NOT GO TO A GAY BAR…you need to meet people– PEOPLE— not just “gay” people and even Hens will admit that there are bunches of gay folks that are high in P-drama traits and they hang out in Gay bars mostly I think….
Volunteer at the doggie rescue place, or the library or volunteer for some sports team for kiddies….there are always organizations that are looking for volunteers and that is usually a good place to meet NORMAL NICE PEOPLE….since you are not looking for a “hook up” sexually right now what difference does it make if you go to a gay bar to meet jgay psychopaths or a straight bar to meet straight psychopaths?
Meeting people in a damned bar is fishing in a sewer, you are only gonna catch turds. So don’t listen to henry!
I think hens has been eating too much BALUT! (based on his advice above to 2BCop)
Oxy….you need to quit sending him those fertalized duck eggs that didn’t hatch!!!!! He’s EATING THEM!!! 🙂
A balut is a fertilized duck egg with a nearly-developed embryo inside that is boiled and eaten in the shell.
Popularly believed to be an aphrodisiac.
not everybody that goes to a BAR is lookin to hook up OX – your used to them little sleazy deliverance beer joints where you take a fly swat and a can of raid – There are some classy BARS with classy people that enjoy dancing and conversing, physcos are everywhere…..She says she is coming out of her closet and wanting to meet people like herself – dont scare her back in the closet – she needs to meet some GAY people, get involved with GAY event’s, be it social or just checking out the scenery – nothing wrong with a GAY club occasionally – now go feed my ducks and butt out…
Milo and OXy….
I’m glad you hit paydirt with your adopted kids.
Me thinks my parents did also……..unfortunately, they didnt see it!
I was always the child who was ‘there’ for them. Illness, holidays, helping with whatever….seeing the need before they asked and all around looking out for my parents.
Now…..I realize just how easy it was to dispose of me.
I remember my cousin being mortified when things started outwardly going ‘south’ with parents, and my mother was biatching to her about me spending time helping spaths grandmother move in and get settled in a retirement home……she said, don’t your parents see that your the only one of thier 3 kids who is alwyas there for them? You’d do anything for them.
They might want to keep that in mind as they age….they aren’t getting younger….your dad is 81.
Well……I guess the ‘burdon’ of taking care of my parents is NO LONGER something i’d be willing to consider.
Their true colors have radiated through……..and besides….where were they when I had my strokes and couldn’t walk well and going through the C treatments….AND divorce etc….
OH YEAH…..I remember, they participated in kidnapping and hiding my kids, trying to ‘get me under their control’!!!
THAT”S RIGHT!
erin b – u 2 and balut on u…
Oxy-I’m not the bar person cuz I really barely drink. Alcohol= 0 weight loss for me. I get all swollen up and feel miserable when I drink. I hate it. An occasional beer or my red wine with dinner is fine. I know that in particular with lesbians, they do go to bars to meet for dating/hookups. I was in that environment a few years ago before I moved here and it was NOT what I wanted. It is a surefire way to meet people chock full of drama. Right now I am just spring cleaning my place and putting things away. In the next few weeks, there will be some things going on in the area where I can go check them out. RIght now I’m so focused on eating healthy, getting some good sleep( cuz I haven’t been sleeping), and exercising. I am serious about weight loss for my health and well being. I don’t want diabetes like my dad. Now since I have stopped obsessing over neighbor lady, I have actually started sleeping much better. Good sleeping= less stress hormones=weight loss. I have to just focus on doing all the best things that I can for me and just learn to deal without drama. I’m taking your last post to me and somethings that onestep said to heart and I need to chill and realize that everything ISN’T going to be right overnight. It’s ALL ABOUT ME RIGHT NOW.