By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Milo, In Arkansas (in general) they have 2 kinds of bars, FIRST DEGREE and SECOND DEGREE in a second degree bar they search you going in for weapons, but in a FIRST DEGREE bar they really search you for weapons and if you don’t have one, they GIVE YOU ONE AT THE DOOR. LOL
When I was in high school we used to go park out side the bars to watch the fights come barreling out the doors. LOL Doesn’t take much to entertaiin small town kids. LOL
Skylar;
WE must decide what’s important and worth fighting for……
For me….it’s my kids….I will leave my parents behind!
I was reading some mothers day poems and card inserts….and I thought….DANG….My mother was NOT any of that to me…..it was only what I fantasized and chose to believe because of what society teaches us….but in reality….it was MY fantasy, nothing to do with reality.
I find for me….being raised with the guilt complex….everything was based on guilt…..
I am careful to distinguish…now….WHAT I KNOW. FACTS.
I know I was a good wife. I KNOW I was faithful and there for him….100%.
I KNOW I am a good mother….not perfect, but a GOOD mother. My heart is with my kids 100%.
I KNOW I was a good daughter…..I was there 100%.
When I didn’t see it coming ‘back’ to me in ‘expected’ ways….like caring, keeping me safe, secure and protected and feeling loved….well…..I KNOW how I felt and acted towards spath and parents…..and I will feel NO guilt for discarding them all from my life.
It’s about ME! IT’s MY LIFE!!!
My kids protect me, love me and look out for me…….My heart will remain with them…..NOT out of guilt….but out of LOVE.
I KNOW what I KNOW…..we all do.
I will not do anything out of guilt again!!!!
Ox-thanks for that little speech. I agree that going to bars and trying to meet people is NO different than on-line dating-which I am completely opposed to. I won’t go near it. I have enough trouble with the people I pick naturally w/o meeting people who can deceive and hide all sorts of things from me and come out acting psycho. I think Hens is all about me coming out on lovefraud and admitting that I like the women. I am not one of those people who feels like they have to shout it from the rooftops-especially with going into my future career-being a cop. It’s my business. Plus, I like to take things slow and anyone who I meet in a bar is not going to be inline with that concept.
I really made a promise to myself after the spath/narc ex that I wasn’t going to pursue a relationship until I have my career. My relationship with him helped me push back my dream and that’s not OK. That way if I establish that rule for myself then I KNOW that I will have plenty of time to get through all this crap that I’m working through and I will feel better about me. The most important thing is me learning to be happy with me and making me the way I want myself to be. No relationship will be successful anyway unless I deal with ME first. I’m going to do whatever I need to do to keep my mind off neighbor lady and pray that my hormones just CALM THE HECK down and try and ignore her. Nothing about that is good for me at all. I will feel lonely at times but it’s better than being with someone who is controlling and negative. As I said before-anyone who “refuses to let herself feel” (quote from her) that is danger to me.
oxy i am sure you have never spent much time in a gay bar, so your advice is very amusing to me.
gay bars are different from place to place and each to each, but the ones i have hung out in are kind of ‘social’ clubs – they functioned as bars, but also as community centers. the culture is different – there are not so many places to meet, so the lower key gay bars can be really nice places to hang out.
nola – if you are serious about wanting to meet some gay folk, check out: LGBT Community Center of New Orleans 2114 Decatur St. New Orleans, LA 70116 Phone: (504) 945-1103
You might not be ready to play football yet, but you could go out and watch some games.
Dear Nolarn,
Darling I am glad that you didn’t take offense at my little “lecture” there….because it was mean sincerely and compassionately. I have been so lonely at times especially after my husband died, but getting to know myself and be comfortable with myself has helped me to calm down (even old women have hormones too!) LOL and to let the effects of the drama-rama wear off.
I think it is kind of like being drunk….there is no way to sober up instantly….it takes time for the the alcohol to be metabolized and go away, then time for the hang over to get over….and if someone has been drunk for years it has to be done slowly so they don’t get the DTs as they withdraw. I think our body adjusts to the high stress level and it feels odd when it starts to get “low”—-so it takes time for our body to adjust and then to heal from the effects of the stress hormones just like it would if we had been drunk for years it would take time.
So give yourself time….patience!!!! You will adjust, and one day you will look up and realize “Hey, you know something, I am happy” and it will just have sneaked up on you while you weren’t looking! ((((hugs))))
Hi there all
Tough day. I’m feeling bad, with 4 weeks of NC. Tomorrow is Mothers Day. He used to bring me the most beautiful flowers on Mothers Day.
I have been so tempted to send him an email, or reach out in some way. I haven’t but I am so tempted. Why is it so hard for me to stay No Contact? I think it might just be because I want the dream, the dream of who he pretended to be.
Superkid
thank you onestep
Hey superkid,
NC. NC. NC.
4 weeks is still very fresh from a drug addiction stand point. This is no different. The longer you stay away, the cleaner you become.
You had a dream and it didn’t work out because he was a liar. Get a new dream, fill that hole with new stuff, keep reading and learning about yourself, how you got lured and snagged by a liar and what you need to do different.
hens – xx