By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Ahhh. NOLaRn… I get your neighbor now.
You gave your power away to her. Literally. And she knows it. Good news though. This is a great learning tool for you. The solution is to reclaim your power. When you do this, she will not have the ability to undermine your plans for your life.
Katy-that’s what I’m freaked out about. NO CONTACT is easy and I can gray rock too but it is a tremendous amount of power for her to have and I wanna know how to take it back. I finally feel better like I figured her out. Now I know why I was feeling such intensity-she just like ex boyfriend. I was getting that whole thing with the eyes again.
So NOLaRn…
Request that her name be removed from the recommendation list. If they ask why, say she’s involved in an ongoing legal dispute and in order to ensure that she can not inappropriately obligate you in any way, you must respectfully delete her from the list.
….IMHO. It’s just my advice, my OPINION. Don’t stop there. THINK what a responsible person would do (which is what you are becoming right?!!). Make YOUR OWN solution, share it here if you want feedback.
And NOLaRN? I learned strong attraction = MEGA DANGER RED FLAG. When you are emotionally stronger, you will learn there are better criteria to use for relationship finders.
Katy-I can’t really remove her name. When they get permission for your background check it means talking to anyone they want. You have to even sign a release that they have all access to your medical records-that’s why I don’t take meds or go to therapists.
Tobecop,
she is a spath. I just read your long post.
I believe she planted the idea of suicide in your head. This is the first time you’ve ever been afraid of doing that, and it came within 2 weeks of her telling you she thought you might do it. And she also told you that her friends had done it.
THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT MY SPATH AND HIS CRAZY, HUSBAND-STEALING GIRLFRIEND/NEIGHBOR DID TO ME. They would talk about suicide all the time. “Sky, I’ve never told anyone this before but my mother committed suicide.” (later she said her mom died of cancer!) Spath would go on and on about all the suicides he hears about on his police scanner.
They do this because they like to plant ideas. They call it “planting a seed and watering it.” Her hot and cold is how they undermine your self-esteem. It’s also meant to make you emotional. We’ve ALL experienced that. Then there’s that story about vengeance. It’s a tell. She is telling you that you better be afraid of her. She is setting you up and when she lets the hammer fall, she wants you to be too afraid to retaliate.
If I were you, I would use this unemployment time as an excuse to move. You will never be free of her harrassment because you gave her a taste of your emotion and she loves it. GRAY ROCK ROCKS!
NO Rn. Oh. Then no worries. With her offputting personality, she will destroy her own credibility. What will shine is the efforts you make between now and then to get in shape and take responsibility for your emotional well being. FOCUS on YOU, getting YOU completely healthy, physically and emotionally. Leave all others to dust. YEAH. I echo Gray Rock ROCKS!
Sky-I can’t afford to move. I’m stuck here plus this is my dream place that I always looked for during the whole 4 years I have been here, with the only good landlord in the city. Why should I let her run me away? I have every right to be here. I need to see how things go first. If I start having any problems with her, hopefully I will have a job paying enough soon to move then, but my credit is shot now and I’ll never find anyone to rent to me.
You did scare me even worse by what you said. You really think that she could be that evil?
Tobecop,
Plus if you move soon, when it comes time for the background checks, she will no longer be a person to interview because she will no longer be a neighbor, and no longer be someone whom you know. Provide a new list and tell them it’s because you moved.
tobecop,
oh, we posted over each other.
sorry to scare you. But they are ALL that evil. she has already targetted you.
I know you love your place, it’s a hard judgement call: your apartment or the job. It’s certainly a valuable lesson and you can learn alot about dealing with spaths by living next to one, but you may not be emotionally able to handle it. Just keep focused in your mind that she is a spath, no matter what she looks like, and you will be safe, I think.
If she does anything to affect my background check and my career, she will get backspathed and will tell my background investigator ahead of time that she’s a psycho if she starts messing with me. We’ll see what happens though. I do feel like a made a breakthrough today in figuring out just what she is. I think that I won’t have trouble with the emotions with her anymore like I did last night. I definitely won’t melt into a puddle anymore when she looks at me. She can bring it and we’ll see what happens cuz I’m now I’m pissed.