By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Alina,
I read your post. How awful! You say the neighbors heard and saw what he did? That’s called eye witnesses. I am not qualified to give advice to you about this situation. Someone with more experience will be along to let you know what can be done. Please be careful for your own safety FIRST and FOREMOST!
Dear FAD,
Of course he is listing her as “step mother” bonding her to the baby as well as to himself so when the real mask comes off she has a BIG hook, and has to help him protect junior from the ABUSIVE WITCH of a mother he has….must protect junior okay! She must SAVE junior from you! (EXCUSE ME WHILE I PUKE!)
Well, he can list her as “step mother” and live with her all he likes but she has NO legal right of any kind over your son, no more than the baby sitter has…..even if they are married she has VERY LITTLE if any “rights” In fact, I might even have your attorney send HIS ATTORNEY A LETTER TO THAT EFFECT that GIRL FRIEND is not to be listed as “step mother” on papers at day care, and you might if you want to be a real prick, since she is around junior and baby sits you might want to make her get a criminal back ground check…..make sure she has no felonies or other major offenses. LOL BOINK!!! Oxy you are such a witch and an old battle axe! LOL
Alina,
Oxy and I posted over each other. Please stay in touch.
Stay safe.
Dear Alina ~ Keep yourself safe. It sounds as if this man could be very dangerous. Plan your escape carefully. Once you are away from him, don’t go to the places where you might see him. Change your jogging route, and don’t go alone. It would be good to have someone you trust, who is aware of how dangerous the spath is, along with you.
Take care of yourself.
Always Hope,
I can’t imagine the heartache and fear you must have.
I hope you know that the way your son is has little to do with you. My son is almost 3, and I have known since he was 1 year old that his father is likely a Spath (his father’s father is, and quite likely his mother). It is genetic. I fear he has the genes (50/50 chance), but I have a warning and can do my best to teach him love, self-discipline and morals, more that I would have tried had I not known.
Listen to Oxy. She knows your pain WELL, and gives darn good advice. Keep you self safe. Know that you have done what you can (in the case of spaths, there is NOTHING one can do) and keep NC. No regrets!
Prayers.
FAD
Thank you for your concern and advise, this site provides so much valuable information. I have to make HIM leave me, I think someone said before that if pretend to be depressed and unable to satisfy his needs, he will get bored and move on…for now that is my plan. It amazed me that no one came to ask if I was ok? Would they have done something if he had hit me?
Alina,
gray rock. if you’ve been reading here, you know the drill: SHOW HIM NO EMOTION. Make him go through withdrawal right in front of you. He will throw tantrums and rage like he did on the street. Show no emotions. YAWN. Tell him you are taking prozac and it has changed your mental state.
My spath used to come home and rage about his buddy taking prozac. He said, “Buddy, is taking prozac and it changes his personality. I don’t like it.” Later, when Buddy wasn’t taking it, Spath would suspect that he was, if Buddy didn’t give him the right “responses”. I tried Prozac and other SSRI’s and for sure, it dampens the extreme emotions. Now I know that this is the reason spath didn’t like it when I took it or Buddy took it.
You don’t have to take prozac, but you can pretend you are.
FAD,
I love Oxy’s advice, get the GF a criminal background check and every other kind of check. LOL.
Alina –
here’s one woman’s story – it says it all.
A WOMAN’S desperate screams for help were ignored by scores of people as she endured a violent attack on a busy Hampshire high street.
Shoppers walked past the victim in their droves but did not stop despite the petrified woman’s pleas for help to stop her terrifying ordeal.
Describing how her attacker “threw her around like a rag doll” the woman told the Daily Echo how not one person came to her aid.
The 36-year-old hairdresser, who did not want to be named said: “I am utterly disgusted.
Town was absolutely heaving.
About 100 people walked by me but not one person came to help me. Not one person phoned the police.
“I was begging and screaming saying ’I am being attacked, can you help me. I don’t know this man.’ “He could have stabbed me and nobody would have cared.”
The mum-of-two had popped out on a break from work when she was allegedly approached by a man as she walked along Above Bar Street in Southampton.
Almost immediately she claimed the man began pushing and shoving her while shouting in her face that she owed him £20, despite her not ever having seen him before.
The 5ft 6in small-framed victim said she screamed out to anyone who walked past including people in traffic at the crossroads, a bus driver, customers at a fast food restaurant, shoppers and football fans on their way to watch the England game on Wednesday.
She said: “He just suddenly flipped and shoved me in a corner. He was so strong- I didn’t think I would ever get away. He held onto my arm and dragged me around the street like a rag doll.
“He just freaked and I thought this is it.”
But despite the scenes the woman, from St Denys, described how passers-by either stared at her, refused to help or put their heads down and walked off.
The victim was so desperate she eventually clung onto a 17- year-old boy who was walking past with a friend who she said intervened, giving her the opportunity to escape.
But she described how the man followed her back to work where colleagues raised the alarm.
Police then came and arrested a man.
She said: “I was shaking and screaming.
It was like some kind of nightmare. Never in my life have I been so scared. It was chilling”
Recovering at home the woman said she simply couldn’t believe no one stopped to help her. “I thought I was going to die, and nobody would do anything to help.”
â– A 27-year-old man has been charged with attempted robbery. He will appear at Southampton Magistrates Court next month.
Another story…
In one experiment conducted by Latane and another colleague, college students in a waiting room heard a tape recording that simulated the sounds of a woman climbing onto a chair to reach a stack of papers. She fell, injured her ankle, and began to moan, “Oh my God —my foot! I . . . can’t get this thing off me.” Seventy percent of the people who were waiting by themselves offered help; with another person in the waiting room, only 20% showed their concern.
It seems the MORE people who are around the LESS likely they are to offer help. Ironic!
You have been through a traumatic ordeal, you will find help and good advice here.
I also wanted to submit this for help.
There are 3 issues I need to communicate with him about.
I do not want to be disparaging (like him), condescending or the like, just informing him. I don’t want to upset the apple Kart, but my attorney has advised me that I should tell him about he mommy situation.
Please send along any changes or deletions you see fit.
EB and Skylar. You seem to have a good handle on this.
I have considered putting it all in one communication as below:
The rash on Jr.’s bottom is likely from the two loose stools he passed in his pull up.
While I had the situation under control, I tried to provide a detailed account of his health for you.
Please know that if there is an emergency, or you are not going to see Jr. or the Journal for more than a few days, I will contact you in a manner most appropriate for the situation.
Otherwise, I will continue to keep you updated and informed via the journal.
I have been very patient with you regarding your belittling and degrading me in your communications with me. I am once again asking you to stop making negative comments and false accusations, as they are not necessary to the conversation and cause dialog between the two of us to be needlessly stressful. This makes communicating with you difficult and certainly does not foster a working relationship between you and I for Jr.’s sake. This has always been about Jr.and always will be, so it would be best if you stop creating drama by keeping your opinions of me to yourself and stop making false allegations toward me, or anyone else for that matter.
I ask that you keep all non-emergency communications in the journal [according to the agreement]and keep them factual and informative.
Furthermore, yesterday and last Monday, Jr.has referred to [] as mommy. He has called her [] since he could speak. I don’t know why he is suddenly confused, but it is not healthy or appropriate for Jr. to be calling her mommy. Jr. has only one mom and one dad. I would appreciate your help in correcting this issue.”
I would give you the background on this but I am sure you can figure it out.
Dear FAD,
Although you did not ask for my input. I would like to offer a suggestion. In my opinion, the paragraph beginning with: “I have been very patient…” should be deleted.
The reason for this is, bringing it up will let him know that he is still getting to you. However, if you leave it out, he does not get any enjoyment from the fact that he got an emotional response. I’ve seen the term ‘gray rock’ used around here in reference to showing no emotion when dealing with the spath. Keeping it to the facts, I believe, is a good way to handle necessary contact.
I’m sure that the others will be along soon to offer advice. In the meantime, I hope that I was of some help to you. God bless!