By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Tobe,
Thanks,my progress is a bit slower than I want it to be. I have a lifetime of spaths to heal from.
I’m going to be making efforts to go back to school in the fall, this week. I’m a bit behind because of the hypervigilance surrounding the last contact, but I”ll pull myself together.
I hope it all works out for you, tobe. I really have a good feeling that you’re going to be doing just fine. 🙂
LL
LL,
another reason he did this is because he wants to “paint a picture” and “plant a seed” of himself in your mind, as a good guy.
They are usually thinking about how to manipulate everyone best. So in this case, he gets under your skin, no matter what.
But if you respond negatively, by being angry, he can point to you as crazy. If you say, “thank you spath”, this proves that he is “real” in you mind.
If you say nothing, you have won because his actions didn’t get any reaction, so in his own mind, he ceased to exist. He doesn’t exist without a mirror you know. That’s why we call him a narcissist.
Star I agree with your advice to LL: they want us as sex toys. I would go further. They also want us as CHEW TOYS!
LL maybe with some narcs they can “care” somewhat but spaths, no way. My recent ex does care for me AS MUCH AS SOMEONE LIKE HIM CAN CARE! But it is directly proportional to what he can get from me. Not healthy!
I know that when I first dumped him he was sad and he felt the loss but WHY? was the question. Not because his “love” was genuinely the real thing. His idea of “caring” is a bit twisted. She dumped him too after we ran into each other (the three of us). He was left with NO SUPPLY and they want ALL THEY CAN GET. He may have her but he wants you too!! I know from friends that he would rather have me over the new GF but in actuality he wants us both! He wants to juggle and I’m not playing. NOT GOIN TO HAPPEN!! Like I said that turd needs flushing twice because he’s a HUGE PILE OF CRAP!! LOL
What you have been saying about the triangulation thing, wow sooo right on. I really needed that. So true!! He wants us to fight it out over him and in a public arena (our gym). Again, not goin to happen. I have him in complete and total NC and his/our friends too. If someone approachs me, I gray rock. I simply refuse to play. I don’t ever go at the time I know he is there. He is like a spider waiting for me to show. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!! TOWANDA. Two strikes already, and he’s OUT!! He knows it and it is burning his ass. The more his ass burns the more he detests her. Someone here said once the biggest FU is no contact. Amen!!!
My fave saying these days is “how people treat you is their karma, how you react is yours”.
Don’t let him get his way.
Adam
“Two strikes already, and he’s OUT!! He knows it and it is burning his ass. The more his ass burns the more he detests her. Someone here said once the biggest FU is no contact. Amen!!!”
FRICKING GREAT POST!!! EXCELLENT and VERY eye opening for me too!!! It’s amazing how something on this blog will just help you “get it” where you’ve heard a million things before and didn’t. GREAT POST.
Yep, the longer you ignore, it DOES burn his ass….but what is SAD about that is that SHE GETS IT WORSE because there is NO TRIANGULATION. IT”S CALLED WORK FOR THEM AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO WORK! Think about it: ALWAYS one foot in and one foot out. ALWAYS, boy is the SOLE victim gonna get HER ass kicked emotionally FROM HIM because he’s STUCK WITH JUST HER.
There ya go Adam. Brilliant post.
And that’s just how evil they really are.
LL
Sky
He has a mirror. He just prefers two 🙂
LL
Kim hey thanks. I am ok. Doin a lot of reading here on LF for several months now. I needed to come back because the TURD got me back and I found out he was doin the variety pack. I dumped his azz so fast he did not know what hit him. His new chew toy dumped him too because I ran into them out and about and next time I saw her at the gym she approached me so I told her the truth. But she is now back with her head up his sorry ol ass.
I am trying to get it all out. It took me a long time to post again but I am glad I did. I am feeling better. Carnes says in Betrayal Bond that trauma victims need to process the trauma by talking it out. I made the mistake of sharing my grief with a couple of friends and that back fired. Double trust issue over that one.
So here I be. I am doing a lot better. Still have my days though.
Thanks for welcoming me back!
LL….
Thank you. I know that you will be fine too…It takes time.
You are too smart and pretty not to be ok.
I know that I do the right thing and treat people right and I’m very giving…so I know that I will get all good back.
You and I have been through a traumatic childhood…and I always think of Oprah….sleeping as a child, on a porch..mistreated..etc.
Yet, something inside of her carried her through life….and I believe you have that…as well as me.
So, stay on the right path…keep taking action to stay healthy…eat right..exercise your body and mind and you will be just fine. I know you will.
Stay away from evil users and you will be fine.
HUGS
LL thanks! I DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR HER. She is a whack job and that’s another story. She claims to be a “born again Christian”, a missionary and a bible study leader. Yet she knows he was my BF and she went with him. We reap what we sow yes indeedy. I do not wish her harm but gawd that woman is STOOOPID. More stoopid than me if it is possible.
I do know one thing. I am nice to her, say hello and try to be calm. No drama. Ill bet my next paycheck that when it is time for her closure she will come to me. She will NOT get it from him. I don’t hate her. Everyone makes mistakes but she is getting what she signed up for. I will listen to her but only to let her know about LF!!!
AND I hear he has others in the harem. TURD!! YUCK!! Poor lady but she LIED in the most despicable way when she said she did not know him and “can I pray with you because the devil has deceived you no I was not with him at the mall I have a testimony to uphold and I only date Christian men” She was with him there at the mall. I saw them together. PUKE!!! And now there she is with him at the gym 3 days a week. Double PUKE!! I can get over her being with him. I cannot get over her LYING IN THE NAME OF GOD!!
Why do these people claim to “follow the Lord”? I just DO NOT get it..when was she born again? LAST NIGHT? Sheesh…
Wow that felt soooo good. 🙂
ADAM
ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!! know what? Mine was on the church board and has his license to marry and to bury too lol!
Yep, the WORST ones can be of the flock, unfortunately!
Nice vent! LOL
LL
Dear Adam’s rib,
The people who use FAKE faith and religion and moral high roads to mask their evil natures—I think fall into two categories. Those that actually believe they are “holy” and those that know they are faking being “holy.”
Jesus talked about how the Pharisees were so “holy” that they tithed even the spices they grew (gave 10% to the Temple) and were sooooo careful to abide by all the traditions and laws, yet they used “loop holes” to get out of doing the things they should have done, like have compassion, kindness, mercy etc. Yet they would conspire together to hire false witnesses to get Jesus crucified. They actually I think were psychopathic in that they had no conscience for the things they did, yet they were the ones who were the first to “cast stones’ at others.
My egg donor “hates liars” yet she LIES…some how (I’m not sure just exactly how) her lies are “for the greater good” and so they are therefore “okay.” LOL At least in her mind.
She is always at the church if the door is open, so pious and has the congregation convinced she is so sweet, holy and pure minded….if only they knew, but she keeps up her mask. Lots of people who profess a belief system and a moral compass don’t actually practice it. None of us is perfect, of course, but many people use religion as a cover, wolves in sheep’s clothing.