By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Fight another day. I have re-jigged your email by keeping it factual as Hope suggested. I think any communications need to be direct and to the point. See what you think……It’s just a suggestion.
The rash on Jr.’s bottom is likely from the two loose stools he passed in his pull up. The situation was under control. I provided a detailed account of his health for you.
Should there be an emergency, or if you are not going to see Jr. (or the Journal) for more than a few days, I will contact you in a manner most appropriate for the situation.
Otherwise, I will continue to keep you updated and informed via the journal.
Stop making negative comments and false accusations; they are not necessary to our communications.
This has always been about Jr.and always will be.
All non-emergency communications should be recorded in the journal [according to the agreement] These records should be factual and communicative.
Jr.has referred to [] as mommy. He has called her [] since he could speak. I don’t know why he is suddenly confused, but it is not healthy or appropriate for Jr. to be calling her mommy.
Jr. has only one mom and one dad. This needs to be reinforced to avoid any further confusion.”
FAD,
Sweetie, you are letting him see that he is getting to you in your responses.
FOCUS on this: ANY RESPONSE IS FOOD FOR A SPATH. Please don’t feed him any response but especially any response about how you FEEL. PLEASE DON’T FEED THE SPATHS OR THEY WON’T GO AWAY.
You are still thinking of him and talking to him as if he is human, just because he looks human. It isn’t human, it is an emotional parasite with human DNA. OK?
In your letter you mention stressful and belittling and the mommy issue. You just showed him all your hooks. Never show him any hooks unless they are FAKE hooks / distractions.
What I do like about you letter is the topic of diaper rash and loose stools. If you can go on Ad Nauseum on these topics for at least 5 pages, then you have a WINNER.
I know you are probably laughing at that right now, but I’m not kidding. The idea is to waste his time and bore him concurrently. Spaths can’t stand boring, their minds feel like they will explode when they’re bored. Remember when you were very young and you were bored? That’s how spaths feel all the time because that’s what they are: infantile.
Winning with a spath is counter-intuitive because we are used to winning by SHOWING the other person up. That doesn’t work with spaths, you can only win by being so boring that he goes away to find someone more interesting to play with.
Edit:
I know that your inclination is to deal with the mommy issue (as well as all the other issues) directly, but the BEST way to deal with these issues is to pretend you DIDN’T EVEN NOTICE. That’s what will make them stop. They stop because they had no EFFECT ON YOU. I know the logic is convoluted, but that is what it means to deal with a spath. The more important something is to you, the more you HAVE to absolutely ignore it. Don’t even look in that direction.
Imagine if you had gold buried on your property and you were being asked where it was by a spath. If you said, “Gold? What gold?” but you looked directly at the rock, under which it’s buried, then the spath would know where to look for it. He already knows you value your son, don’t give him anymore of your values.
Thank you Candy and Hope to Heal for your suggestions.
Skylar, I wouldn’t bother, I guess, except my attorney suggested I TRY to stop him from encouraging Jr, if only for Jr.’s sake.
BUT I KNOW YOU ARE RIGHT SKYLAR.
Usually, I get so hurt and SCARED after his communications with me, but then I let a few days pass, and I get over it.
Thanks again.
FAD
FAD, I would not respond at all…unless you think responding to him would look better in a court of law. If so, I would only respond to the diaper rash issue. He already knows what the agreement was, that you would keep him informed via the journal, unless there was an emergency…you don’t have to repeat that to him.
Leave everything else out. He will notice that you DID NOT REACT TO HIS INSULTS AND DISPARAGING REMARKS, and it will take the wind out of his sales. It will leave him baffled and confused. It will probably really piss him off, because he will recognize that he is losing control over your emotions. He will hate that you’ve disconnected your buttons. He will feel powerless. By doing this, you will have successfully turned the tables on him. While you walk through the rest of your day with a satisfied expression on your face, he will be unsetteled and off balance. YOU WILL HAVE CONTROL.
Kim I agree with you completely.
Hi Kim,
I had some thoughts I wanted to share with you about the word “trip”.
When I went on my road trip to California, I noticed that as the scenery changed from evergreens and rain to desert and sun, my mind started to feel unfocused. It reminded me of the way I felt when I was a kid. Everything felt a bit surreal.
Joseph Campbell’s series on mythology came to mind and I remembered that in every story about a hero’s transformation, there is always a voyage to a far away place, then the hero comes back having learned new things and he is transformed.
So it seems to me that a sudden change in scenery can be “mind-altering”. And it makes sense that this could be a survival mechanism, since humans migrated all over the world and being open to learning when they reached a new place would help them survive.
And the word “trip” is used when we speak of mind-altering drugs.
But then the word “trip” in the context of being scandalized and limping still leaves me perplexed and I was wondering if you could find any connection in the idea of limping and mind-altering.
The reason I’m thinking about this is because nobody ever believes the truth about spaths until it happens to them. The realization of betrayal is mind-altering, it’s a trip. It opens the mind to an awareness and then learning about the spath becomes easy and everything makes sense. Could traveling to a new place do something like that? Is that what it means to trip?
FAD,
IF YOU REACT to his negative comments you have REWARDED HIM.
As for the calling the GIRLFRIEND “mommy” issue, I suggested in private e mails that you go ahead and get some counseling on this from a professional and sew what they think about it. Also, him telling people that she is the “step mother” is NOT TRUE as she is not a step mother until and if they are married, she is simply HIS GIRL FRIEND.
I agree with KIM, HE KNOWS WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS AND HE KNOWS HE IS BREAKING IT, you reminding him of it is simply saying “okay sucker, you are irritating me” WHICH IS WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO SO WHEN YOU CONFIRM THAT FOR HIM HE HAS A BIG “TOWANDA I AM GETTING TO HER!!!!!” RESPONSE.
Your attorney is WRONG in this instance….and I don’t think it is a legal issue. I would however make sure that when you speak to people like day care, that they UNDERSTAND THAT “SUZIE” is NOT the ‘step mother” and that she is ONLY his girl friend.
I wouldn’t even refer to her as “Suzie” I would call her “Ms. Jerkette” when I was referring to her to the day care worker or whomever. “Oh, Ms. Jerkette isn’t Junior’s step mother, she’s just Jerk face’s girl friend.”
I agree that him BEING ENCOURAGED TO CALL HER MOMMY is just another one of Jerk faces’ boundary violations and he KNOWS IT WILL IRRITATE YOU, but at the same time….start having him call you “mother” and say to him “I am your mother, I gave birth to you, carried you in my tummy and NO ONE else did that” make it a special term….and ignore the boundary crossing. If you stop him from that, he will SIMPLY FIND ANOTHER BOUNDARY…he is not going to give up until he gets bored or fails to get a reaction for a good long while….YOU ARE STILL REACTING WHICH REWARDS HIM.
Talk to a professional though about the Mommy thing, I think as he gets a little older it will be come a NON ISSUE….besides, jerkface ain’t gonna hold on to a relationship of any kind for a very long time…there’ll be mommy #3 and number 4 is my guess. LOL
Aline, Gosh how terrible these ‘humans’ are. Please as everyone says protect you, the spath has no ‘right’ to even come near they simply don’t care about anyone but themselves.
Sadly most people do not want to get ‘involved’, why should they, in the UK if you do you will almost certainly be arrested and charged so everyone walks on by.
Other than this site, no one cares, the legal system, the police, they deal with this everyday ..no one cares about ‘justice’ its all a process which we live in everyday and most of us conform to, unlike the spath. They are out of the process they don’t worry or concern themselves unless directly threatened, they have no interest in anyone but themselves ..end of.
When you get it, it is ‘easier’, who cares what happens to them, the pity me ploys, the courts don’t, no one does, they simply don’t get it either. NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE SPATH EITHER and no one ever did.
They move on like a snake to the next pasture, and the next and the next; then they die ..who cares ..I have children with a spath ..does it care ..absolutely not ..its all about them, no conscience, an empty shell and I know they know what they are and they don’t care!!
Get rid ..like an empty wrapping in the bin (garbage in the US), they will NEVER EVER CHANGE and it is not your problem.
Read every post by Oxy; you can never change them however nice, accommodating you are, its just a sick game ..NC, NC, everything they ever told you was a LIE to satisfy them, they have no soul!
If my ex jumped off a bridge tomorrow ..we would be ‘relieved’ ..and released.
It has taken me years to stop thinking; what is the spath going to do next’ ..I don’t care, he doesn’t care ..no one cares, there are billions of us on the planet, if one leaf drops from a tree in a forest who cares ..no one, we are nothing but a leaf in the amazing universe.
Only our immediate families are supposed to care, sadly even they let us down. Someone once said to me ‘we are all on our own really’; I have never forgotten that as it is true.
I had love and care from my parents and siblings which made me think I would get that from a husband, I was so wrong! I sadly lost my mother, but I know she loved me and my father loves me as do my children and siblings ..I am fortunate for now! I never take anyone for granted, I make that effort, that’s what makes us caring people, like every person who posts you, they are human and care and feel your pain ..how amazing its that!!
Lecture over …xxx
Skylar,
Excuse my interuption…I can’t believe you mentioned Joseph Campbell! My husband and I just finished watching Mythos I & II last night. I like him. OK two cents in.
Ana,
cool, was it on PBS or do you have the DVD?
I need to see that. The only one I’ve seen is the Power of Myth Series with Bill Moyer. I liked it so much I bought the series on VHS – like 20 years ago.