By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Ox let me know when u need more cash for duck food. I have a whole stack of 3 dollar bills…
Katydid, border collies are so smart and loyal, they need lot’s of things to do tho, they are not lap dogs they need to be busy..you got some sheep for it to herd?
erin72 – Are you in any danger of being swept away by the big ole missisippi?
Given that this is a no contact issue, I guess this is a good place to post this.
I’d like to share some thoughts about ex contact yesterday and the fallout here. I hope for some feedback that might be helpful.
One of the things, other than what has been my extreme hyper vigilence the last several days, is this horrible sadness. Each time I have a memory pop up, it’s replaced with truth. So here’s my question: Because I was in this relationshit for ten years, all the times I had traumas and crisis (a lot with my son, etc) Spath was there, how do I file my experiences of the last ten years now?
Now I’m being realistic about that too.
I saw him according to the way I wanted/hoped to see him and not how it was, at the time. So I don’t know what to make of the last ten years of my life now. When I feel like crying. I cry. And I’ve been crying a lot more the last few days. This process is so frustratingly slow for me. I almost feel stupid. Each day that passes, becomes more of a reality of what it really was, not what I thought it was or what I thought he felt. How in the world did I see it as differently as I did? These are the questions I have now.
Also, while I feel very empowered with my NC at the moment because he attempted contact in such a dramatic way, and on what is such a special day to me (he knows it), I also feel this INTENSE fear of him. Absolute horrendous fear. I do notice that while I feel very empowered, i feel very frightened. Kinda like knowing someone sees you as THEIR possession…..their puppet. This nauseates me. If I could take myself off the stepford mistress list, I would. I don’t want to be considered one of his main dominance bonds, but something totally repulsive to him so he’ll not think of me at all.
What I have come to realize is that out of all of them, I was the biggest dupe and sucker. For a smart girl, that’s NOT one of my fave accomplishments or sources of pride. HE KNOWS THIS ABOUT ME. He knows me THROUGH AND THROUGH.
But he’s in for a big surprise. I hope all this was, was an attempt. But somewhere in the back of my mind, I never feel completely safe. I don’t know that I have the right at all to feel that way or if maybe I’m just paranoid and he’s a passive aggressive fuck playing his mind games and when he realizes I won’t respond, will just let me be. But I just have this God awful feeling that this isn’t OVER FOR HIM….when I want it to be for me….his power/control is insatiable. I was a willing supporter of that and fed it for years. I don’t want to anymore, but he counted on it, like the paycheck people work for. And he got it, every single time.
Does this make sense? I feel owned. Like a dog. I want him to RELEASE me in every single way and NOT considered an option. What I realize is that my reactions to him and my undying devotion, no matter what he was doing to me, made me sweet ass supply for him. He could count on me to take his shit in droves and still chase his ass. Not anymore.
My fear is in not taking it, sending the sign that I’m NOT joking with my NC that he will up the anty when he gets bored with gf, really bored.
It’s so hard to tell others what’s going on inside you or how frightening these people are and how frightening this really is. Because I was the OW, they think I “deserve” this. That’s where the buck stops for me. When I decided to get out, that was it. I have STAYED OUT. ANd he’s not married anymore, but living with his new gf and in record time (two months). It’s time to set up the triangulation. I can’t/won’t do it again. This will be the VERY first time I’ve not run back when he baited me. He was so sure of my loyalty. It’s not that way anymore.
I”m almost thinking that for my personal safety and well being, that I DO need to move. I will be talking with DV about this on Wednesday evening.
Maybe I’m just paranoid. Maybe that’s all it is. Maybe he’ll leave me alone, but I swear to GOD each and every time I’ve said it, he baits again. That is a cycle now too.
BUt this is huge for me. I’m not responding to that stupid e card.
I’m sorry for his new gf, but at the same time, I hope she keeps him so busy that he just blows off my lack of reaction.
But I just intuitively do NOT feel safe while trying to hold my ground, but he has not done anything yet that is threatening enough to do anything about. He knows that too.
LL
LL-it’s just gonna take time. I went through a lot of what you went through. It’s part of being the OW. It’s a totally different experience and it’s SO painful and most other people DO NOT understand it. I lost a lot of people that I thought were my friends cuz he told so many lies. All the blame was put on me and that’s a hell of an experience. I have been crying a lot lately too and you will keep doing that. I cried for like 8 months straight after we broke up. I couldn’t function. I’ve been crying over being unemployed and being poor and scared and then the drama with HER, before I realized what she is. Keep going LL-you are doing ok and as time goes by, it will get better and it will get easier.
LL are you afraid if you dont take the bait he will stop fishing? If you never never ever want him back, stay no contact for ever and ever and forever and he will go away…it’s up to YOU – not him….
LL
I think it’s really awesome that you’re reflecting on your past now and you’re seeing it differently, not for what you wanted it to be, but you’re more clearly seeing what WAS. This is transitional for you.
I don’t know how long you’ve been NC, but I think you’re right, he could up the ante, and he most likely will. Contacting you like he did on mothers day is clearly an “up” over what he had been doing before, right? So he’s already taking steps down the path?
In anticipating the “up” the ante, it’s also increasing your stress levels…but, if he doesn’t “up” the ante, will you be wondering, wtf?
What can you do so that you’re blissfully unaware of him upping the ante, so that you own your mind, your thoughts, your life? Can you kill off that email account? Do you know how to block emails? Moving is not a bad thing either, as long as it’s not creating more drama and adrenalin in your life as a substitute for the adrenalin your spath brought.
I want you to be successful so very badly.
I want your success.
SK
Yeah Hens, I am concerned that I am too old for a border collie. hmmm how to entertain a dog all day…. Maybe I should rethink this. Well, my biz is run outta my house so at least it won’t be alone. I grew up with collies and training them so thought I might see what tricks I can teach him. Oxy? Do ya need a babysitter for the duckies?
LL…..
I just thought about something. My xhusb socio, who abandoned our 3 children and me, financially and totally…never bothered with the girls….
Every single holiday, even though he ignored their pleas for him to call them, come to see their school plays, etc…he sends a text to them….”Merry Xmas”….”Happy Easter”…!
It ruins their holidays!!! They are forced to think of the person who abandoned them!! Its actually CRUEL!!
This last text..on Mother’s Day….was it! The next time he ever contacts them, I plan to send him a text and tell him to stop torturing his children by contacting them only on holidays!!!
Your experience has made me realize something….they do it to RUIN your day!!!
Please don’t beat yourself up. I married and had 3 children with an abusive man!!! He was abusive on the honeymoon and yet I stayed with him and kept having children with him.
But, I don’t beat myself up for it…because I got 3 gifts for all of the abuse I took!!!
So, don’t regret ten yrs of your life..You were happy at times and you needed to go through this relationship as your evolutionary experience…to help you to evolve into a stronger person while on this earth…to face and overcome your traumatic past.
When you get through this, you will have a peace that you never felt before. Believe me, I am proof. I never “self actualized” until I went through the pain. Now I know who I am and I am stronger than ever. No man will ever abuse me again…or woman….as long as I live. I will spend the rest of my life alone if need be, and it will be fine…..without abuse.
I hope you understand what I am trying to say. We repeat our past until we resolve our underlying feelings of inadequacy from past hurts.
Oh…its painful! But, once you get through it…you are free.
They say that people who give us the hardest time in life…are our “teachers”. After all, we are here to learn and grow.
The next ten years of your life will be so much better because you will never again allow yourself to compromise yourself for anyone!!!
Thats the good news.
The bad news is that it takes time. Don’t give up.
Everyday you are getting better and better, stronger and stronger…whether it seems it or not.
Well,, Katy, if you are familiar with collies, you know you have to give the dog a job to do or they get neurotic….so I suggest start with obedience, then uber obedience, and then maybe some of the “sport” things like jumps and pole bending, agility training, etc. or how about you take him for search and rescue training? They are using a lot of collies now for that….or if you are where you can, get him some ducks to herd (Peking ducks are usually the best kind for herding purposes)
I decided not to get another collie because of the tremendous amount of time they need invested and I don’t want to keep goats to give them a job to do….and at 64 almost 65, chances are my dog might out live me, so probably best to stick with the terrier I have.
I just came back inside from being outside in the gloaming and looking at the trees in the yard, all trimmed of dead branches, and looking so nice….still got more brush to haul tomorrow but the worst of the trimming is done…no limbs leaning over the house or reaching out to grab vehicles as they pass…the yard freshly mowed and the stuff just looking nice. Son D did find and kill a water moccocin on the side of the road in front of the aircraft hangar though….so much for that snake in the grass! (sorry, Star, poison snakes around here get offed!)
Oxy, You are funny. I did NOT get a terrier b/c they take too much energy. They have temper tantrums and poo when they are pissed. I know this will be my last dog and I wanted the dog breed of my childhood, they were such comfort to me. Search and rescue is a good idea. Will look into that.