By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE…..let others experience serve as a reminder!!!!
STAY THE HELL OFF FB PEOPLE!!!!!!
I just got a call from a gf, she is 4 days away from her final divorce hearing…..and she BLEW IT!
She’s been posting on FB about this new love interest….laying it all out there for everyone including the ex to see.
And loverboys fb page is WIDE Open!!!
I warned her….several times!!!!! She didn’t listen to my overall advice about LOOSE LIPS SINKING SHIPS!
She would respond to me as, I’m not doing anything wrong….I’d tell her….NO, but why cloud any issues or offer ‘him’ anything to use to cloud issues?
She stuck with her moral indignance of I”m not doing anything wrong…..
I have a right to a life, and I don’t have to hide anything….I just want to live and not worry about HIM watching me.
Well…….Howd that work for ya darling?
Yes…..we do have a right to a life folks…..
But…depending on our experiences in OUR life….we must keep some things close to the hip…..OR, it will come up when we least expect it.
Keep your ego’s in check and stay the hell off facebook.
Facebook is a great tool…..and will always be used against us!
When will we learn…..we don’t have to follow the masses!!!!
EB – my formula for facebook is: an untraceable email address, and a pseudonym. no other way to go.
your gf is like most of us: we learn by experience, and don’t heed warnings. naive and stooopid.
Yeah, people give way, way too much info on Facebook. Not very smart.
Dear ERinB,,
Well, my guess is that did NOT WORK WELL FOR HER….and you know, the thing is just because people are separated doesn’t mean they are not still LEGALLY MARRIED….and so if you are gonna play around and “have a life” and you are LEGALLY MARRIED….there can be consequences for this behavior.
I doubt that she will be really happy for you to say “I told you so” but actually I think she needs to be Told “I told you so”—so maybe in the future she might listen to you….nah, she ain’t gonna listen or learn….sorry for making the dumb suggestion…I just keep on deluding myself that people will learn from their own mistakes, much less from others….I know I didn’t for so long, oh, well. You did the best you could EB! She shudda listened! LOL
Hi Everyone!
Great post, Oxy. I haven’t been on in a while. I was taking some time off to heal from my experience with a sociopath. For those that perhaps may remember, I was fixated on him “changing for someone else” and blah blah blah. I now realize how much time I waster worrying about that. Everyone here was so patient with me. I’d like to report that I no longer am fixated on my experience with this psychopath and I can see so very clearly that all my worry was for naught. As Oxy says in the above essay, it is so very important to maintain NO CONTACT, and I think this is due to the addictive quality of a relationship with this type of individual. I think there are a number of factors here–partly our own personal “stuff” and partly the astonishing “charm offensive” of a sociopath. Really, there ain’t nuthin’ like a sociopath. Anyway, I just wanted to check in and say that I’ve been no contact for almost a year and will remain so!! I’d like to express my support for all the others who are not yet ready for no contact and my sincere hope that it will come soon.
Hopeful6596~
DEar Hopeful,
Sugar, glad to hear from you and that you are making progress and are NO CONTACT!!! There are people here struggling with no contact, so maybe your story will give them something to focus on. Thanks for sharing! And that’s important! I wonder and (yea, worry) about people who disappear! (((hugs))) and God bless.
Thanks, Oxy. I’ve missed it here on LF, and I actually feel better prepared to help others here because I have come so far from where I was. At one point, I was so desperate to get over this man (and I use “man” very, very loosely) that one night when I was super emotional, I wondered if I should just “end” it. I never seriously considered it and was just over-reacting, but I felt so “fried” emotionally. But it was then that I took very seriously my need to get my flippin’ life back. I went from feeling out of control and like I would never be over it, to being very calm inside knowing how damaged a person I was involved with. I wasn’t questioning myself anymore. Really, this change happened almost overnight. It’s like I needed to get to the place where I realized how out of control this obsession was, and the realization hit me square in the face. I have been fine ever since. So yes, I will visit and help when I can, and hope that my experience will offer some comfort and confirmation that the pain WILL end. It DOES end. But it does require some effort on our part. Hugs to you. Thanks for smacking me with the cyber skillet when I needed it. XXOO to all here.
Hopeful6596~
I need some help. I was doing well with NC, but he finds ways around it. I broke it off with him finally on March 13, after 5 years; on March 15 he has a new “relationship”. Once a week or so after that he’d call me and say he missed me and loved me. Then I found this site, read the books, and realized exactly what he was and started feeling better, although I was still heartbroken.
A few times since then he tricked me into seeing him (one night he called me saying he needed help and his daughter was with him–when I picked him up she wasn’t there but he stayed over anyway). A couple of other sleepovers too after that, all based on his lies.
A few weeks ago his new girlfriend called me (she got my number from his phone) and we compared notes. He’d cheated on her with me 3 times (that’s a change–he’s cheated on me with probably a dozen women) and we discussed what he really is. I told her about this site, and she swore she was done with him. Ha ha. She asked me, though, to call her if he contacted me again, which I agreed to do.
A couple of weeks ago, I was in a convenience store and he ran in, came up to me with a big grin, and I told him to go away. He ran out and got in her car and left. An hour later he started calling and texting, so I texted her and told her he was doing that. She called me and said he was with her while he was doing it and she thought it was to me, although he said it wasn’t. Anyway, she said “why don’t you come down here (they were at a bar) and we’ll confront him. I did, we talked, confronted him (he tried to kiss me in front of her), and she ended up beating on him in the parking lot while the bouncers stood around and watched and laughed (guess they know him too!). After that I left.
The next day he calls me from her phone saying they were back together and to leave them alone, they’re in love, blah blah. So I did.
Fast forward over a week. This past Monday I’m asleep in bed and I wake up to him leaning over me (he talked my son into letting him in). He tells me she’s been cheating on him, it’s over, she was a ‘midlife crisis’, etc. I let him stay but say no sex, which lasted about an hour. By the time I got up to go to work he’d woken me 3 times for it. He sucked me back in, a little bit anyway. Then he says he’s going to pick up his stuff from her house and will call me later.
Later that PM I get a text from her saying she knows he stayed with me (he obviously told her) and that she’s PREGNANT but is totally done with him. A few text wars between she and I and he and I and I’m devastated once again. I blocked his phone but he called a few times since then (if it’s blocked it will go right to voicemail but I can still see that he called in my missed calls). Nothing since yesterday morning. I’m back to square one, alternating between chest pains and panic attacks and stomach pains and diarrhea. She’s 37, has 6 kids, and is having a 7th with him (and he’s not even working now).
The thing is, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HE IS NOW. But I still miss him from the time I wake up to the time I go to bed. He’s clearly back with her, only 2 miles down the road from me, and now I know she’s pregnant (unless she’s lying, but he didn’t dispute it too strongly so I think it’s true). It’s killing me tonight. When will it get better????
Dear Hopeful,
No problem, glad to do it! Keeps my upper arms in tone to swing that skillet! Since Henry has gotten sane, haven’t gotten to use it enough that I’m starting to get flabby! LOL
Seriously, I think at one time or other we have all wondered if we would ever get sane, or make sense of it all or quit hurting! It is funny too when I see someone new come here and they sound so crazeeeeee and after a while they start to sound SANE and I know they have turned that corner you were talking about. Sometimes we can see that change in others before they can see it in themselves I think.
Glad to know you are doing well and glad you have your life back! (((Big hugs))))
Dear Abbri,
When will it get better? When you ACTUALLY go NO CONTACT, and stick with it.
Right now you are keeping the drama rama going on….talking to her, taking him back into your bed, confronting him in the bar, texting back and forth and so on.
GO NO CONTACT and that means NONE, ZIP, ZERO, NADA, ZILCH and stick with it. Change your number, block him. Tell your kid that you will ground him for life if he even talks to the guy, much less lets him into the house. Change the locks.
Once you are no contact, slowly you will start to grow stronger and more sane. Right now you are like an addict who keeps going into a bar and cant’ understand why you keep getting drunk.
YOU KNOW HE IS A CREEP, you KNOW he is sleeping with this other woman, you know he is a liar, what difference does it make if she is preg with 10 kids or none? This isn’t about her, it is about you and him. If you want to allow yourself to be treated this way cause you “luvvvvvvv” him, then you are making yourself miserable. What is there to LUVVVVVVV ABOUT HIM? That he farks other women and rubs your nose in it and wants to fark you to? How about he is exposing you to sexually transmitted diseases? How about he is ENJOYING all this attention and you and her fighting over him. Makes him feel so special. Excuse me while I puke!
Go NO CONTACT AND STAY NO CONTACT and quit the drama rama and then you can start to heal. I promise you. ((((hugs))))