By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Hi there, can anyone tell me whether when we sign up we get emails sent to us intermittently, with details of posts made here? Not for every blog entry but roughly weekly. I want to make sure I’m not still being sent fake emails by my stalker. Thank you.
OutofDenial
Yes, Donna sends emails letting us know of new subjects.
Farwronged,
yep, he was attracted to strong women because he wanted to take them down. Why bother with someone who had nothing to lose?
My spath was always demanding that I agree with him. He said we shouldn’t have two opinions in one household. (WTF?) He thought that those words would make me think that he had some kind of deep wisdom, LOL! It made me think he was extra stupid.
I asked him why he doesn’t FORCE his friends to agree with him the way he tries to FORCE me. He told me that he does, but he does it differently. He says he knows the “weak” people will eventually agree with him, because they are “weak” and their convictions are “weak”. He started to tell me about how he pretends to be a democrat so that his democrat friends (the millionaire who he cons for money and his girlfriend) would think that he was just like them. He explained that he was a “democrat in sheeps clothing” but then wasn’t sure it was the right expression and changed it to “a republican in sheep’s clothing”. He continued by explaining that he would agree with everything they say and then say, “But I’m confused, can you explain something to me…?” Then his question would be phrased in such a way that his friends couldn’t answer without contradicting their own beliefs. And eventually, they would end up agreeing with ideas that were contrary to their original convictions. He laughed smuggly and re-iterated that it was because they are weak and he hates weak people.
The whole time I was listening timidly (and recording the conversation), trying not to anger him. Then in a weak, timid voice, I replied, “well, I’m glad that I didn’t agree with you because then you would think I was weak.”
He just turned away. LOL!
Thank you KatyDid.
Still not sure I’m not getting any but it’s good to know it’s safe to open the love fraud ones at least. I’m avoiding anything I’m not sure of these days.
Thanks again.
Plus, the strong women are the ones who will tend to compete and think they could handle it and stay longer in the relationship
Darwinsmom ~ When I met the Spath, I was a very competent, successful working woman. A mother of two wonderful daughters. Through 7 years of his crazymaking, I became exactly what he wanted…. a mush! A doormat! Someone to manipulate and con out of $10,000 (it took him 7 years to gain my trust). My family didn’t even recognize me anymore. I was frail, sad, introvert, etc. I had gone from a vibrant 38 year old to a “frightened of my own shadow” 45 year old. No physical abuse with the Spath, but the mental and emotional anguish had taken it’s toll. But over the last year I have regained the Schnoodle I once was through intensive counseling and therapy. Maybe even stronger than I was before.
Schnoodle,
Yep. They’ll do whatever they have to do to get you back under their control. They don’t care one bit that their behavior is going to wound you. Not one bit. Like Oxy said “fake from the teeth out.” My x-spath actually began to “parrot” the emotion that I showed him whenever I would be upset with his behavior and pointed out that he never seemed bothered. This parroting is typical sociopath behavior. And right off the bat I knew when he did it because it just seemed so phony, and it’s hard to explain, but he tried to sound just like me; tone, volume. It was actually really creepy.
Hopeful6596~
Ewww you guy are so right. How sick and evil! The desire to bring someone down and cause suffering.
schnoodle64 – you are so right. I was looking at photos of me 6 months into the relationshit and I was a complete mess. I could not see it at the time though. Went for my HIV test this week. The nurse asked me if I needed condoms!! Don’t plan on needing them for some time to come.
Dear Outofdenial,
Yea, we get an e mail here from LF every so often, b ut I never even open them I just log in to LF directly so if you are paranoid about them just go to Love fraud directly not from the e mail.
Welcome to LF…and I suggest that you read the articles here in the archives and learn as much as you can about how they act/react and think…because KNOWLEDGE IS POWER and the more we know, the more powerful we become. The less confusion and paranoia there is. You are NOT alone, you are NOT STUPID and you are NOT CRAZEEEEE, YOU ARE WOUNDED. There is a big difference, and you can heal those wounds and find support and validation here because we have been there! (((hugs))) and God bless.