By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Yes, it is VERY possible, are you kidding me??
They give, they take away… so you will run after them.
You must have shocked the sh*t out of him.
“I’m not gonna chase you” must have meant: “why aren’t you chasing me?”
They can’t believe WE can change, because they never change.
I’m proud of you robxsykobabe!!!! You rock!!
R-Babe ~ Awesome indeed!! Towanda to you!! 3 Months NC is a great start to the freedom and happiness of a spath-free life. Gotta LOVE it!!
I’m thinking YES, you called his bluff. YIPPEEEE!!!! That is SOOOO great!!!
(((HUGS)))
H2H
Yes that is wonderful. I am trying my best to keep nc. I know i shouldnt care but i do and it still bothets me. Is it possible for spaths to like certain women over others? My spath would always talk about his ex. He called me her name on accident and hooked up with her while we were together. He also bout her expensive gifts. Did he really still want her for supply and can they favor some women over others? From what i know she had/has a boyfriend but still associates with him. They had a very long history of break ups and make ups over the years but ended over a domestic dispute that was pretty nasty. Can they miss people?
Far ~ I think what they miss is the “supply”. Your spath wanted you to feel jealous of his ex. He was probably doing the same thing to her. I read it somewhere around here that it’s “triangulation”. They are masters at playing one against the other. They love the drama.
Remember what Yoda says: “It’s do or do NOT. There is no TRY”
I know you can do this Far, keep up the good work on NC!!!
((hugs))
H2H
I will do it! I cannot get suckered back in. My spath is so evil another contact attempt would only result in more verbal abuse and he spares no words. He really goes in for the kill. Thanks h2h…. <3 🙂
You go girl!! NC is the safest way to be 🙂
And… when you feel tempted, DO NOT DO IT!! Come here, and read, and post, and read some more until the temptation passes. There’s some REALLY great stuff to read here.
I come here and read EVERY single day since I found LF. It helps me a LOT in dealing with my husband’s ex. we call her SSV short for soul sucking vampire. We could never find an appropriate name for her prior to my discovering LF. She is basically evil incarnate.
But, that’s OK. She can fry in hell when the time comes. I’m not gonna lose anymore sleep over SSV. She caused wayyy too many of those in the past.
We just don’t need the abuse of the spaths of this world. There are far too many good people around to waste anymore time or effort on them. 🙂
@onelukygurl yes, take that NC to infinity! Make it count. I’m really happy for you. Good going 🙂 You may not be able to get the time you wasted with the P back, but what you did gain was wisdom and your control over YOUR own life. Bravo. xo
@Recovering “can they miss people” they view people as expendable objects, they don’t experience emotions and feelings. let’s say they were getting sex or food from you, they will miss the “supply” and the high of the power trip they get from abusing you and flexing their fluffed up egos in response to their perceiving themselves as “squashing you like a bug” ( THAT’S pleasurable to a P- demeaning and undermining you to make them feel BIG and powerful. Except they forget that only cowards need to hurt other people in order to make themselves feel better. Which explains why they have to maneuver so covertly and don’t like to play fair- they truly are spineless creatures. ) So in terms of relationships, no they don’t miss you for who you are, they miss what they “get” from you ( what they can STEAL from you, your respect, your self-worth, your sanity, your peace, your right to integrity and honesty within an involvement ). That’s why it’s so crucial to view them as what they are : vampires. Not the false image of what they WANT you to see them as; as Oxy illustrated once, they’re like a cardboard cut out of a really nice house, say a mansion… so from afar you are imbued with this illusion, this “mirage”… but when you get closer and look behind the facade it’s just a beat up, run-down shack ( if even, I think a shack in itself is giving them too much credit. ) But you get my drift.
@Recovering they do prefer a certain personality of women over another… strong, outgoing, social, competitive and deeply affectionate… it pumps their ego they can make such a woman choose for him, and it’s a challenge to bring her down, plus because of her nature she’ll tend to fight for the relationship and stay longer.
@darwinsmom I agree, that’s precisely why they get so much pleasure out of flexing in front of this “mirror” in which they get to “squash you like a bug” ( their abuse ). They think by demeaning/bringing down someone who appears so strong, smart and level-headed means that THEY are powerful ( in stomping on someone who actually IS something of worth ). When the truth is anything but. They get a kick out of abusing high profile, women of character because they’re hollow and without substance and want to destroy whatever does have substance. They abhor people who emanate light and love and thus seek to undermine them. The mind of a P is twisted indeed.
Yes, TOWANDA to me… (euhm what does towanda actually stand for?)… And my spirit is on the recovery!!!
The last times I laughed heartily was last summer with him. But that was always offset later on with being upset or hurt.
My laughter yesterday was of a different kind, something I had not felt for a long time… out of some sudden pue lust for life (and incidentally they played that song and I couldn’t keep still on it). It felt really good, but it was also sobering to realize how long ago it’s been… years really that I just had a good giggle over nothing with my friends.
I noticed this week too, that I’ve been doing some moving along with music as well in the house. Yes I did dance sometimes on purpose, or tap my fingers on the steering wheel in the car. But it’s been ages since I swung my way into the kitchen.
How the hell did I ever come to believe that he was making me happy? Well, I ain’t a bug and I ain’t squashed.