By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
eb92044 – ‘And if what they miss is the “supply,” I guess it makes me feel bad because if he is not contacting me, then he doesn’t need my supply.’
No EB not so. He just has a better offer at the moment but beware when his supply runs low he will most likely circle back to you. Whatever you supplied him with money, sex, roof…..
Mine has just tried to contact me – and it’s been 6 months now since I kicked his ass out of here. So his supply is running low and he thought ‘I’ll give her a whirl see how the land lies’. Well I’ve maintained NC this far so he can go to hell cos he’s got NOTHING I want or need.
Candy,
good for you keeping NC! he’ll have to get his fix elsewhere.
Your exP wanted to know if you would still provide him with a reflection. Maybe he was feeling reflectionless for a moment. sicko!
It’s hard to say what triggered my exP to finally decided to butcher me after decades of milking me. It wasn’t enough to poison me and drive me into debt, he still expected me to put on the hair and makeup and put on a facade to make him look good. Everyone else knew he was cheating on me so they all gave me hugs and sad looks, but I could never figure out why. Anyway I got tired of socializing with his friends because he told so many lies that it embarrassed me. This made me isolate myself.
I think after several years of that, he decided I wasn’t what he wanted in a respectable wife, so he thought I’d make a better facade as his beloved, dearly departed wife.
“Mine has just tried to contact me ”“ and it’s been 6 months now since I kicked his ass out of here. So his supply is running low and he thought ’I’ll give her a whirl see how the land lies’. Well I’ve maintained NC this far so he can go to hell cos he’s got NOTHING I want or need.”
Great going Candy! Mine knows that I’d chew off my own leg to get away from him now so no, no more supply here either. I’m superior to that sick bastard in every way and if I’d known that at the beginning and not taken his own high opinion of himself at face value I’d have saved myself a lot of wasted energy. It’s not really wasted though because I’ve learned a lot about myself and have psycho-proofed myself as much as possible now.
Ha! He deleted most of the pictures he has where we appear as a couple, and on which I commented “fake” before we unfriended. Several of those were pics of us kissing, or holding each other. He doesn’t have the originals; I do… So he won’t be able to use our pictures to use for the new victims to sell himself as a good boyfriend. For the same purpose, I had long removed the tags on my pics with us and hid them from his viewing.
This feels like a victory! Because he’s doing what I wanted him to do for a change. Doing a happy dance!
Dear Outofdenial,
There are some great articles here about knowing the RED FLAGS of the psychopath when they are on the prowl and “love bombing” you at first. Read them, over and over….the more you know, the safer you are. It is EASY to get caught up again if you are not a bit suspicious of new people…make them EARN your trust over a period of time (not just a few days or a few weeks.) That is what P-proofs us. Watch how they treat others, and get to know what they are really like before you let any of your guard down.
They tend to strike when you are at your lowest ebb and more vulnerable. Myt P-X-BF caught me 8 months after my husband died. I was so vulnerable to the love bomb…I thought he was my prince that was going to save me from all my grief. WRONG!!! He just caused more.
It will never happen to me again. I know the signs. It is so obvious to me now if someone is that over the top charming, they are only out to get something from me. And especially if they are five levels above me at work…haha!!! How stupid was I to think that this man of power would really “want” me?? Oh, well. I would bet my house, my life, my everything that it will NEVER happen again.
candy:
Yeah, I know he might circle back around at some point, he has before. But I pray very hard that by that time, I will be over him and I will be strong and I will tell him “no way.”
Good for you for maintaining NC!!! BE STRONG!
I’m on day 5 of NC with the woman spath next door. It seems like a long time since I’ve seen her. It definitely feels weird doing this. It’s the longest I’ve gone w/o seeing her since I moved in. I can hear her all the time on the other side of the wall but I have been strategically entering and exiting and not seeing her. It feels weird w/o the drama, w/o any drama for that matter. It’s so unsettling since I am used to drama and being the drama queen. I really am now starting to picture myself in my cop uniform saying “step away from the drama”, if I start getting into it again.
Now that I know my first counseling appt is Monday, now I’m getting scared. I’ve never done it before. When I first let out my big secret this week I was looking so forward to it-to get the demons out, but now I’m afraid of what it’s going to bring up/bring out. I feel unsettled and now that I’m exercising so much I am way more hungry too. That makes me nervous too. I know I am not eating too much, and you’re supposed to have frequent meals to lose weight, but I’m just not used to feeling hungry. I am psyching myself up for my afternoon exercise and soon I will be heading out there. Maybe it’ll help settle my nerves.
Dear Nolarn,
Yea, losing weight unfortunately makes you hungry….can’t lose it and not feel hungry I don’t think.
I’m back on the low calorie band wagon myself, as I have been eating after supper before bedtime and taking in too many calories, so got to get back on the program so I can lose the next 30 pounds.
Made some chili today that is really great and very low sodium and low calorie—only 128 cal per cup, and 150 mg sodium per cup….and it really was great! Son D added some Tony’s to it to get more “spice” in it but said the salt in the Tony’s made it too salty for him, so even he is getting used to the lower sodium foods. hee hee
Good for you for stopping the drama-rama….I understand your anxiety about the therapy on Monday, but when you find yourself feeling anxious, just hold up your hand and say STOP!!!!! and calm yourself down. You can do it. Take control of YOU.
Good for you exercising too, the exercise helps to burn off the stress hormones and that is really good for you and helps to calm you down. Get you some carrots and chomp on the raw carrots if you are hungry, something to chew and not many calories and good for you too. Also, get you some gum! Keep the jaws working and the body thinks you are eating. LOL
I’m feeling a lot better today…went for a nice walk outside though the weather is carpy and no sunshine, but went to see my garden and the plants have like doubled in size in 2 days! WOW! Can’t believe how they love this weather and the rain and humidity and have my FIRST little tomato bloom! It’s so cute!
Enjoy your exercise and chew on some rabbit food! Make getting healthy a priority—physically and emotionally.
Oh, BTW I have a great web site I use to keep up with calories taken in, sodium and exercise calories burned. it is called http://www.fatsecret.com and is really a neat site to help you keep up with your progress toward losing weight. I am “oxdrover” on there too so you can be my weight loss buddy if you’d like! I find that writing down what I eat helps me to remember and keep up with the calories and the sodium and I don’t have to calculate it manually or figure it out, the program does that automatically.
Just another tool to keep me “honest” with myself, and help my CRS brain remember what I ate each day.
Ox Drover that’s terrible but I can relate to the psychopath marking you when you were vulnerable because it happened to me too. He must have thought he’d struck gold with my willingness to believe him and I’ve got to admit the flattery worked too well on me because I had a poor self image at that time. They have a nose for these things, I get that now.
Imagine spending your time scouting for prey like that. I saw Dickhead sending PMs to all the women on his message board about random things like their hair or their user pic. Pass that puke bucket again someone!