By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
He left me on Feb.11th… I did not hear from him again till March 8th. He called me from a pay phone, telling me that he was tired of his new girl. He blabbed about his new truck and how he could stand the way his new woman was keeping tabs on him… (why he had to call me from a pay phone) He told me that he didn’t know how much time he had on the pay phone but he then asked if I would ever take him back… the phone went dead. Knowing what I know now about him, I think he purposely hung up the phone, so that I would start call or texting his new girl. I did no such thing. What a twisted evil soul. Yes, March 8th, 12 days before he married his new victim. I did see him in court on April 14th. I soooo wanted to turn around and tell his wife ” tell your husband to stop calling me from pay phones” I restrained myself. My brother is a lawyer and he was there with me… he told me ” do not say a word”
sadme – considering how short a time it has been, you are doing really really well. the hang up thing, uh huh! such a piece of crap.
Louise, Ox Drover, One/joy ~
Thank you so much for your insight, your anologies, your healing words of wisdom. I know that I still have such a long way to go, but I have not cried today. Blogging today and getting your feedback has helped so much. I will continue “no contact”
The spath didn’t talk much about his family… I never met his mother. He would even tell me he didn’t have a family…ugh! I met them. Weird and very disconnected. I remember the first time I met his family, we took his dad to a local bar. One of his younger brothers showed up at the bar… like he was amused by the whole thing. P… has a new victiim… I want to watch him in action. That is how it felt. He told me when he was young that he would beat up all three of his siblings for touching his things. He didn’t ask who touched them, he would just beat all three… Charming!
Dear Sadme,
I’m glad your brother is a lawyer and is there for you,, maybe it will help you get your money back, at least a penny or two at a time. LOL
NC is the only way to go, you can’t “taper off” of cigarettes or alcohol, or any other addiction and you can’t with these jerks either. I am just glad that you got out with your skin intact. There are plenty of men and women who end up dead or injured or broke or having to co parent with them for 18 years. So count your blessings.
I quit cigarettes before I got lung cancer, and you got away from this guy before he “infected” you with emotional or physical death. TOWANDA!!!!! yOU ARE DOING WELL.
I kicked him out last September and he strung me along for months. Coming back, leaving…3 times he pulled me back in. Never again… I have learned so much about him and his mental illness. I pray for all of you that have suffered from these evil individuals. I knew that there is evil lurking among us, but I never thought I would fall for such evil. Never again! EYES WIDE OPEN! LOOKING FOR RED FLAG!
My cousin is sure that something bad is going to happen this time around with his new victim… She is 39 years old and has never been married. She wants to have a baby…
She showed up at my house after my ex spath left the day of his “truck, show and tell” LOL (like a kindergartner) She has a gps on his phone, so here she shows up and I ran her off my property. She actually had the nerve to come right up to my back gate. I told her to get off my property and to go have his baby, bring another sociopath into the world!!! He has two full grown daughters that he abondaned years ago. The monies he owes me is for back child support that he talked me into paying for him.Loser, he can’t even provide for them. I don’t know if she is carrying his child, but he told me she wanted to have his baby! Only bad can come from that.
My cousin thinks that one of them is going to be found under the porch….. scary, but it could really happen. She is going to push him to far or he is going to push her. It is going to be the ugliest break up yet…. or maybe they are both crazy enough to stay together for years… yeah right!
sadme:
Sigh. What can I say? He is very disturbed and I am soooo glad you are no longer with him. And so glad you SEE that he is bad news…not good for you or for anybody!
We are here for you. Just keep blogging.
sadme,
Soooooooooooooooooooo, he has a history of this right?
I know it’s a mantra now, but it’s true. Past behavior is a prediction of future behavior when it comes to a spath!
You’re last two sentences resonate with me so well right now. It’s wishing the worst on spath and his new gf because of what he did to you.
I think one of the things that spaths slimed me with was this idea that with someone else it would be better. I”m still believing it, so wishing hell on my ex and his new gf is what I think about……..
But that’s what the ex WANTS me to think about. He wants me to ENVY her as if she is getting something better, instead of using my empathy (that he tried to destroy in paying so much attention to his gnarly icky ass), to feel SORRY FOR HER!
It’s hard to feel sorry for the next victim when there is still emotional trauma bonding to the ex spath. The reality is that she isn’t getting anything better than you had with him.
It’s just hard to see that with his presentation of wedded bliss.
I’ve not figured out how to get past that yet.
I just know it’s true. each victim IS YOU, sadme, as well as all the many in his past. would be interesting to see how his EX’s feel and the children he abandoned in the past.
Feel sorry for her. Because it’s true, right now, she’s you.
And in a while, she’ll be you where you are now.
LL
Oxy:
Thank you for your post. I’ve been wanting to read “The Betrayal Bond” for quite sometime and I think it’s time for me to bite the bullet and buy it. I have found myself not only being bonded to the X spath, but even to friends who have hurt me. I really need help. Right now, I feel so broken, I don’t know if I will ever be fixed. Sometimes I think I am too old and too far gone to ever fully recover. And it’s not only about him; it’s about a lot of other choices I have made in my life.
Anyway, thank you for reminding me that we have KNOWLEDGE and that we have to WANT to break the addiction. Stopping smoking was a perfect analogy. Until a person wants to quit, they are not going to. Knowing how I feel about the X spath and how absolutely addicted I am/was to him, I am doing VERY well by not contacting him. It will be three months this Sunday. And it is all because of my knowledge that he is NOT good for me, has made a fool of me and will continue to make a fool of me if I let him. Knowing these things is what keeps me from contacting him. Not my “feelings,” but my intellect. Thank you, Oxy!!!!! 🙂
LL:
I loved your post. Thank you for that.
I have the exact same problem even though I know in my head it is no better with the next person. With my X spath, I wonder how things are with his wife and also if he is going to meet that next wonder woman. But I know nothing will ever change and I am getting better at it. In one way I feel sorry for his wife, but in a way I don’t because she KNOWS what he is like and chooses to stay. I fully understand that is her choice and she has her reasons (the kids, the house, the financial stuff), but at the same time, as long as she chooses to put up with it, how can I feel sorry for her?? I know we talked about this on here about a month ago. It doesn’t really matter anyway.