By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Any help with these translations would be great…
Texts sent to me August 2009 after he broke up with me…or should I say “left” again. He lost his license in March of that year and wanted me to pick him up (an hour away) drive to the party (an hour and a half away) and drive him home…I said “no”…he told me later that night he didnt know if I could be trusted to have his best interest in mind…about 2.5 months later he made contact with me…
(talking about my boundaries and how I was NOT willing to do some things for him)
“your boundaries are what kept out alot of what I need”
HUH? What did he need?
(talking about differences in peoples expectations)
“we just want and need different things from a partner”
HUH? Then why did he contact me again at that point?
(talking about what he ‘expects’)
“I want to be loved too much and held too tight”
HUH??? HUH??? HUH???
Just thinking about some shit he’s said lately…
Babe,
**sigh**
You’re ruminating again. Silly rabbit….
All of that is mumbo jumbo, dearest. Notice how you’re “Huh-ing” a lot here.
That’s called a WTF moment. It’s one of those things that is meant to keep you off balance and wondering (Just as you are now), about WHAT HE MEANS and WHY He’s saying it.
I think it’s common to have these conversations come up in one’s head, I’ve had quite a few of them too. What he was doing were nothing less than what he has done, they are tactics used to keep you off balance. He was making you feel bad about yourself, you were 1. expected to know what he needed without him telling you and 2. you’re not giving him what he wants in a partner, even though he never told you what that was and 3. well, you just don’t love him enough. Passive aggressive prick. THAT was meant to seriously psychologically harm you and hurt you.
I hope that helps insofar as understanding these tactics.
Sometimes, defining them, helps move through them.
LL
LL..
JUST what I needed! Thank you…I AM off balance today, HOWEVER…Im making progress as I at least KNOW Im off baance 🙂
Stupid prick…
Your points are taken…I am done with this…for now 🙂
Thanks
R-babe!!!
Every one of those statements is about what HE NEEDS AND WANTS, and your boundaries are keeping him from getting what he wants from you.
IT IS ALL ABOUT HIM…..of course he sees you as unreasonable because you won’t drive to pick him up, take him to a party and then take him home because HE LOST HIS LICENSE.
So you are obligated to be his free taxi WHY? DUH???? LOL
DO NOT LISTEN. DO NOT READ. BLOCK HIS TEXTS, E MAILS, AND PHONE CALLS. NO CONTACT NO CONTACT NO CONTACT!!!!
robxsykobabe
Translated…..
“your boundaries are what kept out alot of what I need”
Spath – It’s all about HIM and what HE wants (you do not come into it)
“we just want and need different things from a partner”
Spath -I want it all MY way.
“I want to be loved too much and held too tight”
Spath – He wants you to KEEP giving. He just TAKES.
As for the drive to the party……..what ‘normal’ person would expect their partner to do this journey (for HIS personal pleasure)?!
It’s all about him and like a child who can’t get what he wants he jumps up and down. You were the WHEELS girl, nothing more.
‘he didnt know if I could be trusted to have his best interest in mind’ – this was the ‘guilt trip'(intended for you) to make sure you did whatever HE wanted next time.
With spath it’s all ME ME ME but spath will turn it around to make it look as if it’s YOU at fault.
How’s that for a brief translation.
Hi Babe,
Wow, he was “telling” you the whole time. Psychopaths like to “tell” us the truth using ambiguous words and then watch us while we misinterpret things. In this way, they can tell themselves:
1) they told the truth
2) you are stupid
3) they are figuring out how you think
When he said he didn’t know if you could be “trusted” to have his best interests in mind, that meant that he didn’t know if he could continue to manipulate you to do what he wanted and put HIS needs over YOUR needs consistently and when it really mattered to him. That driving thing was just a test.
Your boundaries – ah yes! He needed to know that you would NEVER HAVE BOUNDARIES WHEN IT COMES TO HIS NEEDS.
“We want and need different things from a partner.”
That means he wants different things from a partner, than what he is willing to give to a partner. In other words, what’s good for the goose is not what’s good for the gander.
The problem here is the word partner. He should have used the word relationshit. Or mommy, or servant. Partner implies equality and reciprocity. He never intended to be your partner, he only intended to be your parasite. UNTIL YOU DIE.
“I want to be loved too much and held too tight”
An infant in swaddling clothes. He just wants to be an infant. He doesn’t want to grow up and he knows it.
My exP said, “I never wanted to grow up”. and “I haven’t changed, I’m the same as I’ve been all my life” and “I shouldn’t have to work, someone should take care of me so that I don’t have to work.” and “love should be unconditional. ” (for him, not for me)
The sick thing is that these infants are not just parasites, but also murderers. They have the rage of an infant with unmet needs, with all the lack of emotional control that an infant has. They are entitled to anything they want and when they don’t get it they are capable of murder. Mine had my murder all planned out – poison of course, made to look like suicide. That way I would be killed and slandered all at once. Tough shit mofo, I’m still alive and kicking.
Babe
Whatever he says is just meant to get him what he wants. It’s meaningless.
You know,
I know I can say that to you and I intellectually believe it. Yet today I’m sitting here feeling all sad for myself that my spath hasn’t called, hasn’t texted, nothing. He loves me not? And yet, I want him gone.
Why am I searching internet dating sites to see if he’s up to his old games (he is)?
Why am I my own worst enemy about this?
Candy, Nice!
Ox, Yep!
So there ya go Babe. don’t read the bastards stuff. It’s just not good for ya 🙂
LL
Sk,
I indulged myself for a time after the relationshit was over in looking up his facebook, seeing what he said to friends, looking at the one dating site that I knew about…and I just wound up hurt. now I don’t even bother…..well, cuz I might get hurt. I’m highly aware that outside presentation is critical to them, plus his ex wife is on his fb, so he would use new gf to piss her off. It’s just a lot of drama that I’m glad to be free of.
I could tell ya NOT to look, but well, hey, until you get that he is what he is and that hurting only is another creative way to stay in contact…..well, you’re gonna do what you’re gonna do.
LL
Sky, I love your translations. You’re so spath savvy!
Mine use to constantly tell me, “I just want to be loved and you don’t love me, I just want to be loved! I don’t need this shit from you” That one still traumatizes me.
It was much like a child…..he knew I loved him.
He was already loved. Many times.
LL