By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
LL,
its’ “because I can”.
It’s just a flexing of their muscles, exerting power to prove that they’ve “still got it”.
The need to flex their muscle is triggered by envy. They see someone who has something they want and they can’t stand it. My spath actually told me that the purpose for building someone up is so they have further to fall. We must be punished and suffer for daring to have something that they don’t.
They are sick beyond comprehension.
LL,
Yes, you nailed it. This is exactly what I wonder. How can she be so forgiving, so unconditional, and I can’t be? She must build a big thick barrier around her heart. I wish I could do that. But he intentionally hurts me. He screws around, saying “she asked me to fuck her, so I did”. That’s not an accident. That is intentional pain. How anyone can look beyond that is beyond me.
Thank you LL.
SK
Sky,
Even though the intentions are still evil, a spath would also have other motives, would he not? such as my last spath. This time it’s money. That’s not envy, that’s about taking something that he wants.
LL
SK,
She is a victim too. Who knows what her situation is, but it can’t be pleasant.
It’s sad. Even though this is very painful, we are in many ways, very blessed that we COULDN”T tolerate anymore..
LL
Sky,
I’m having one of the worst fibro flares right now I’ve had in a long time, along with a period that I thought were OVER……
I’m miserable. But I wonder if it’s not emotionally driven??
ONe of the reasons I’ve not spent a large amount of time here lately is the discussions about spath parents. I’m realizing that it triggers me. When I write about it, it seems like I’m writing about someone else this happened to and NOT to me. I’m not quite sure what to make of it. I have been told COUNTLESS times NOT to dwell in the past, and move on, that happened a long time ago, blah blah….ok, so I shoved it down and moved on….but guess what? It barfed itself up anyway in my choices of MEN.
I find myself now, in an interesting place. I went right from exP, STRAIGHT to ex Spath, right past GO. I ran from my abusive home RIGHT PAST GO to ExP.
This is the FIRST time in my life, that I’ve just run out of gas to run. Does this sound familiar? And in doing so, I find myself under MORE stress, and in MORE pain than I’ve ever been in my life, yet I know that I can’t have another relationship and don’t WANT another relationship. Is that progress? Because sometimes it feels like it and sometimes it doesn’t.
So what I’m seeing happening now is that I’m being flooded with memories of my childhood. It bothers me so much, that I have to read other stuff to avoid it. My body I think is reacting to it.
Even though I’m being flooded with memories, I still cannot emotionally connect to it. I feel sad, but I’m not crying. I CAN’T cry, not even over spath anymore and I feel like it’s all building up in my body like a toxin.
Is this common when you’re first beginning to realize the damage and the extent and how horrific it all really was?
LL
LL darling,
You need help right now to clear all of this toxic energy.
Star is right,-I also used to do Swedish massage, Shiatsu,and “Touch for health”. I ran my own clinic for a few years before my first marriage broke up. I studied part time for years till Id got all my Certs and Diplomas.
Deep tissue massage, Shiatsu, {acupressure,} and Reiki are WONDERFUL for clearing blocked and poisonous toxic energies left over from all your years with spaths.If you are short of cash, many Alternative Healing centres, and Colleges give their services very cheap, or even free, if you dont mind a student working with you. Maybe you could enquire near where you live if there are ny Nat, health Colleges who’d offer these services.Believe me, they WILL help! Youll prob. cry floods of tears,{my patients often did,} and this helps get rid of all the fear and toxins trapped in the muscles and tissues.GO FOR IT!I could tell you DOZENS of true stories where clients were healed of really severe traumas, illnesses, headaches, arthritis, heart pains even.
Just wityh healing touch.
Good Luck! PS I got your email, will contact you soon!
Love, Mama Gem.XX
LL – there is an older self-help book titled, ‘the courage to heal’, and when i read your above post it popped right in to my mind. I worked through it in the 80’s – wish i still had it but i gave it to someone who needed it, too.
i have been going for infrared saunas – very cheap here, for the physical toxins. my fibro was very good, but with the chemical toxins then the spath it flared really badly. the saunas are helping a lot. i do know that some people with fibro find them to be too much – but i supplemented with a lot of nutrients for about 8 months first, so that my body would have a better chance of dealing with the detox.
i also know that deep tissue massage for folks with firbo can be a no go zone, but i had really good results with shiatsu years ago. – as always it depends so much on the practioner.
i think we should all get in a big pile and give you lovefraud hugs. that would help. would help me, too! 🙂 know why i can’t cry? cause i have to feel loved or cared for to cry. i can feel all kinds of cracks in my armaments these last 2 weeks – i have less work pressure, and dealing with the asshole upstairs – and i see the cracks….
my anxiety is too high, i am hyper vigilant – i cannot cry – i need some sense of care and SAFETY to cry.
i want out of this mess, and all i can do the last few days is DISTRACT myself from the pain. i am eating to numb my anxiety….i wish some effing doctor would give me medication for my effing anxiety. no way i can move without getting it under control. just the thought of moving and i loooose it. so, tomorrow i call my effing doctor and try yet frigging again to get some help.
i am also going to go to a group meeting on thursday – it is a talk group – centred on spirituality. the grief counsellor who i have seen off and on has invited me; it is a group she runs. i looked kind of panicked when she said that the group was gentle, not to worry, and i said, ‘but, i’m not’. she has some faith in me – she knew me before the spath, in fact she was the first person who said there was something seriously wrong with the picture and that she thought that 2 of the people i was talking about were inf act one person (little did she know that was the tip of the iceberg…)
i am also going to call the shrink about neurofeedback – she moved into a newly renovated office – so i haven’t had nuerofeedback for a month…it’s flaming well warm enough to sit outside and do it now.
these are the things i know to do – i can’t ‘deal’ with my anxiety, i have to do work arounds. i am also going to go to a yoga class on friday.
i am still working on finishing up a number of things for work – even though friday was my last paid day. i made the org. a lot of money, and i am now putting togehter a proposal for going forward – one that would include me. we’ll see. it would help a lot. i need to move. i need money. i need anxiety medication. i will try to remember to use some kava kava daily – it helps a bit.
well, that’s my little path for being in the shit and working to get out of it LL – hope there is something in there that is validating, inspiring or helpful. (((big hugs)))
Onesy,
My doc hired naturopaths (sp) at her clinic. I’m going to get massages every two weeks. They are focused on deep tissue massage as the inevitable outcome, but start VERY slow at first. I know that kind of deep tissue work is probably a no no for a fibro sufferer, but if they go slow at first, this may work. I have had a pro massage before, and it felt WONDERFUL, even though I was sick a couple of days afterward.
I”m reading up on several things right now. Studying. I have anti anxiety meds too Onesy and literally, they keep me calm.
I think you’re right. I don’t have anyone safe yet to share openly enough to cry. I think you hit the nail on the head. I appreciate you offering that as perhaps a stumbling block in your shared experience and it makes sense. I just feel “all bottled” up and wanting relief. It’s so frustrating that the process seems so slow.
Still working on finding my own “shrink”. I call that clinic every other day. The clinicians that work there, well, okay, I studied up on them. they’re excellent. They do hypnosis as well as EMDR. Deep trauma work.
I wish this process could accelerate. I don’t WANT to be here, but I DO understand i NEED to be here. All of this holistic stuff is new to me, but boy, when you’re in pain and you want to resolve it, I’m willing to try anything at this point.
Thanks ((((((((((( Onesy ))))))))))))))) .
(((((((((((((( Mama Gem ))))))))))))))))))
I’m in no place to help anyone. The things I outlined are future possibilities and it doesn’t take much to print out the ten signs and hand it to my providers and take it to a DV group for feedback. The support group stuff would have to come MUCH later. I way too wounded and vulnerable I would NOT want to take the risk of being triggered and hurting anyone out of my own pain. I got your email and emailed you back! XXOO
I love you guys!
LL
LL – i joined my dr’s practice because they have a psychologist on staf…for free….but i have been waiting three effing years. i don’t want to have my life in such shredded tatters, so i am going to have to work for it to be otherwise.
i learned to supplement vitamins and nutrients through this process: http://www.healthpursuitsgroup.com/nutrition.html since you are reading up on alternative stuff, you might find it interesting. what i have found out, among other things, is that my adrenals are very precariously balanced, and deplete very quickly in the face of physical and emotional toxins – anything that strains them. I now take adrenal support almost like aspirin, in as much i use them in response to and in anticipation of situations that tax my adrenals. i need to do more work with my supplements again. all the formaldehyde lately has seriously unbalanced me – some of the sugar craving comes from that, i just don’t know how to deal with it yet. but i know someone who does, so i am going to call her this week.
man, i need meds! my doctor is almost cruel in her refusal to see what this is like for me.
i did EMDR years ago to get over my fears around driving. it helped a lot. it was nice because it just ‘dealt with it’, and there wasn’t a lot of mucking around in my psyche to get there.
and LL, it’s all stupid and slow and it sucks. 🙁
and some day, it won’t.
off to bed. sleep tight LL.