By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Hi all ~ I just have to tell a kind of funny story of something that happened earlier this evening. We stopped by to visit with a neighbor. It was R, me and our dog. The neighbor has 2 cats, one of which is a SPATH.
The dog was being a very good girl, laying on the floor at my feet. Then I hear this “meow, meow” very quietly under the table. There was SPATH cat about 6 inches from dog’s nose… dog of course, wanted to be friends so she stretched her nose toward cat, who proceeded to bat her a bunch of times!!
This same thing happened a couple of more times before we left. The dang cat kept luring the dog over, then would just batter her about the nose. Typical spath behavior, or what??
I need help! I just got triggered very badly. You know the neighbor I slept with who started ignoring me? Fortunately, I have not run into him lately. Except…..I just logged onto my dating site to check my messages. And there he is!!! He has this gorgeous picture up and a nice profile. He is looking for a relationship. Wow, now the dating site isn’t even a safe place for me. He states in his profile that he wants to retire early and travel around the world. He talks about how fortunate he is to have a great job that lets him travel and how he performs music, etc. This is a very together and hot guy, and I couldn’t even hold his interest for more than one night. He couldn’t even be bothered to stay friends with me. I really feel like crap right now. My stomach is tied up in knots. I wasn’t good enough for him. It really hurts. My self-esteem is in the pits. The worst part is that moving will not fix the problem. The internet is everywhere! I tried to type out a nice email to a very sweet guy who’s been emailing me, but I could barely even talk, I am just so triggered. I’m not sure what to do. I don’t want to see or hear about him dating other women. I just want him to go away.
Star…………..
TAKE SOME BIG DEEP BREATHS…..WALK AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER A MINUTE….AND JUST BREEEEEEEEEEATHE…..GET A HOLD OF YOURSELF. WE’RE ALL HERE….
I HAVE A WIENER TRYING TO BE SNEAKY AND CONFISCATE MY DINNER. I’LL BE RIGHT BACK AND I KNOW OTHERS WILL SHOW UP….JUST BREEEEEEEEEEEEATHE CHICA……
STARE!!!!!BOINK!!!!!!l
What the heck you are not good enough for him? Has it every occured to you that he is NOT GOOD ENOUHGH FOR YOU???
hE IS OBVIOUSLY SHALLOW AS A PIE PAN….Thje problem is HIM not you. If he has no more class than to poass over a hot babe like you, he’s dumb’er’n dirt!
Now repeat after me 500 times: He does not deserve me. He does not deserve me.
I have to go to the store but I’ll be back. I need a plan. I am really triggered.
Oxy, I don’t believe it. He is a very desirable person. He is happy, confident, together, intelligent, educated – he has the whole package. I liked him so much! He didn’t even like me enough to keep me as a friend. Sorry, but I just am not feeling very good about myself right now. That move to Costa Rica or Ecuador or wherever – Siberia – sounds pretty good right about now.
Star,
Ok. Wiener under control.
Now, I’ve seen rock band boy. He IS good lookin, well, HOT right? Uh huh. NOw, think about him THIS way….given his behaviors towards you he may WELL be somewhat spathy, although just not high in traits. But from all we’ve learned, I think it’s safe to say that even TRAITS is a no bueno!!!
It wasn’t about YOU. It was about HIM. A lot of predators get on dating sites, Chica, you KNOW this. He’s no different.
Another thing that struck me when seeing his pic. He SCREAMS PRESENTATION. What’s UNDERNEATH all of that? No, i don'[t mean his clothes chica, HIS HEART!
I mean, really, if hot band boy were a GOOD guy, would he have treated you the way he did? Even if you DID sleep with him a few times, and it were just in passing and he weren’t a COMPLETE jerk, wouldn’t he at least say hello to you when he sees you rather than IGNORING (Typical spath) you?
Something about this screams abandonment. Do you feel panicky chica?
Don’t let the presentation get to you. IT’s hard NOT too, but don’t let that get to you. GOOD men don’t DO what he’s done.
GIven how he treated you, do you really believe he’s relationship material? God FORBID!!
GOOD GUYS DO NOT DO WHAT HE HAS DONE!
LL
**agrees with Ox**
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Star,
I have to second ox on this one. He sold you a PRESENTATION.
That’s ALL. GOOD MEN DO NOT DO WHAT HE HAS DONE TO YOU. PERIOD!!
MEN LIKE THIS EXIST EVERYWHERE STAR!!!
DON”T LET A MAN DEFINE YOU!! YOU DESERVE BETTER THAN WHAT IS OBVIOUSLY THIS SPATHY KINDA GUY!
If he HAD IT ALL TOGETHER HE WOULD NOT HAVE TREATED YOU THE WAY HE HAS, CHICA!!
YOU DESERVE BETTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Star ~ You are WAYYYYYYY too good for this guy!!!!! Defninitely does NOT deserve you dear!!
If there’s a way to block him on that dating site, do it. He’s not worth your time or effort. He missed out on a good woman, his loss. (((Star)))