By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
I’m in the same place I was yesterday. I feel terrible. There is this huge, big gaping hole in my heart, I loved a man who doesn’t love me back.
He’s back with other women already, without skipping a beat.
Trying to breathe, trying to calm myself.
Personality disorders suck. I really, really love him.
SK,
Didn’t you say he was married?
LL
I met him shortly after he got divorced in 2008. I thought he might be lying about being divorced so I went to the courthouse and actually checked.
However, he is still LIVING with her. I think he really sleeps in the basement in an army cot. They have lived apart periodically.
I can not understand their relationship. It appears to be this huge void of any emotional tie between the two of them. She tells her children she loves them all the time, she doesn’t seem on the outside to be a sociopath too, so I don’t get it.
I reached out to her before– I called her and said “I want to make sure I’m not interrupting a family – I’m seeing Bob – you’re not married, you’re not sleeping with him, are you?”. She replied, “no”. She was meek, but also seemed upset. I don’t get it.
I don’t get her relationship with him. I don’t get any of it.
I love this guy. Just feeling so sad today.
SK
Dear Superkid,
The Wife/X-wife sounds to me like she is TRAUMA BONDED to this guy and she WANTS to be married to him, but will put up with anything he does hoping against hope that he will “love” her and stay with her—she is essentially an emotional SLAVE.
Patrick Carnes wrote a very good book on trauma bonding called “The Betrayal Bond” and I think it explains her situation as best I can tell from your description.
Anytime you have a WTF? moment and something just “doesn’t make sense” but sticks out like a sore thumb and it is connected to a P, you can bet there IS A “REASON” but it won’t make sense to a normal person, only an abuser OR A VICTIM. Sounds like she is his victim….who can’t emotionally escape. He holds her probably financially AND emotionally.
She is in a horrible situation. Pity her and pray for her.
You had scruples and made sure he wasn’t lying about the divorce. So you right there showed him you weren’t going to be lied to at least forever….and that you had scruples so he might not be able to control you like he did her and other women.
I understand that they hook you in, that you love him. I loved the P I got involved with after my husband’s death…and he was it turned out a serial/continual cheater without any scruples at all, but for a few months I convinced myself he would not cheat on ME. LOL ROTFLMAO yea, right! Fortunately, I kicked him to the curb, but it was like cutting my heart out with a rusty butcher knife! I hear your pain. It will get better. It isn’t forever. No Contact makes it end more quickly, but it still TAKES TIME! (((hugs))))
Thank you Oxy. I did read Betrayal Bond at your suggestion and at Donna’s suggestion. It was good. Maybe that is exactly what it is between them. She’s always there for him, she’s always holding out hope. Trauma. Chidren.
I have broken up with sooo many guys in my life (well, in my teens and 20s)…I’ve never had anything as ridiculous, difficult, and painful and LONG LASTING as this “breakup”.
Here is to slow breathing today.
Dear Superkid,
Good deal! Slow breathing and find one thing that gives you JOY today. Just ONE thing that is beautiful and good.
This journey starts out about them, but ends up about ourselves, and improving, healing, learning.
Learning about the evil that is possible, that is THERE….is a good thing. It will save you pain in the future. This isn’t the only one you will ever meet…but it will show you the red flags you need to watch for, make you more cautious in giving your heart to someone who seems “too good to be true” or who gives you a WTF? moment in how they TREAT OTHERS. If they treat others poorly they will eventually treat you that way too.
My personal boundaries are DISHONESTY or UNKINDNESS of any kind and they are gone out of my life. You can say for sure he treats her unkindly, that is NOT normal x-relationship. So was a huge red flag that you “explained” away or let him “explain away”—-when I see a red flag now, I run, I do not explain it away or let someone else explain it away. I used to let just about ANY red flag, even RED BANNERS be easily explained away Not now! Keep on learning, and you will heal. I promise you! (((hugs))))
Superkid,
what I’ve noticed is that all spaths have the same M.O. but they use different stories to implement it. You read Sam Vaknin’s book, so you know that they all like to withhold sex from the primary victim, while at the same time they are having sex all over the place.
So his primary victim is his wife and the story for withholding sex is because they are divorced. Good one, but why are they still living together? Well she thinks it’s because they still “care” for one another but don’t get along well enough to be married. – weird. Or he has arranged the finances so that this makes the most sense.
The truth is because she is his primary supply and he wants to keep manipulating her emotions. So he has her trapped in the spider’s web but only gives her sex as “maintainance” if he sees her start to slide away from her.
As I said, my spath and I had no sex for years in the end. But even in the very beginning, he cut off sex for over a year.
We had been together about 4 years and I accused him of only wanting me for sex because I wanted to get married and he didn’t. So he said, “really, you think that? well I’ll prove it’s not true. I’ll go for a year without sex with you.” He went more than a year.
Later, I cut off sex with him because it was just so over the top and it caused fights. He didn’t even mind. He had it planned that way.
They do this to cause the wife/main supply pain and cut her off from pleasure. But first they make sure she is sufficiently bonded with very pleasurable and memorable sex, so she won’t leave him. So now he has a carrot. If I were you, I would secretly give her Sam Vaknin’s book. LOL.
You can tell by my name what I think of this article.
Well done again, Oxy.
Contact results in pain
Contact results in pain
Contact results in pain
Contact results in pain
Peace Sisters
There is a story about a scorpion and a frog story that is exactly the same. Only the when the scorpion stings the frog and they are both about to drown, when the scorpion was asked why he would do such a thing (by the frog), the scorpion replied, “because it’s my nature.”
LL, I did think about giving her the The Sociopath Next Door,the betrayal bond, Snake in Suit and sam’s vaknin’s book. Do you think it would serve any purpose?
She seems to welcome him back. I go “no contact”, he starts calling her/emailing her/whatever, he goes running back to her and she has open arms. It baffles me.
He hurts everybody, and we enable it.