By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
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Hens ~ Love your sense of humor dear!! I think you’re exactly right… ain’t no such thing as too old. (((hugs)))
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Job done!
My wiener is driving me nuts. He knows when it’s bed time.
My arm pit just can’t accommodate all this snuggly stuff 🙂
BTW, with as heavily as he is breathing, all stuffed under my armpit, it occurred to me…..never has a man snuggled up that much to me, or licked my feet when I took my socks off at night…….
**Sigh**
LOL.
Love you all.
Nite.
thankyou , skylar and valleygirl
i am just reading all the posts …it makes me feel better…
feel bad for star…
i have nothing else to add…no contact is hard…i do watch him thru the curtain…he is turning ugly day by day…
is it because i am loosing interest…i hope so..
you guys out there , who is giving time to support the ones who is hurting…you guys are angels…
thankyou, nightgal
All this talk about wieners is making my mind go right in the gutter. Just thought you should know. ha ha
Star.
So true. I contemplated that very thing………actually crying and beating the shit out of my dashboard today….
Sometimes I wish I didn’t feel shit.
Life just does suck sometimes.
But I want to know, really know, why doesn’t it suck for a spath?
Why doesn’t life suck for a spath?
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Growing older, I’d rather accept that I’m someone who may never have sex again. My mother was the same. After she and stepspathdaddy split, she never had sex again.
Then she died.
I never wanted to be like her or to suffer her same fate.
Ironically, I’m playing it all out. Just like her.
Damn
LL
Yeah, LL, why doesn’t life suck for my neighbor who treats women like shit?
My mother had the same fate, LL. After her two loser psychopath husbands (you may recall the last one died in jail), she got in a relationship with a guy that won’t have sex with her. He claims it is because he is a born again Christian and they don’t believe in extramarital sex. So she has been in a sexless relationship for about 15 years now, and it’s the healthiest, most stable relationship she’s ever had. How sad is that?
Star, if he doesn’t believe in extramarital sex why don’t they just get married? She’s a widow if her last husband died in jail.
Yea, it is sad….
LL, It DOES suck big time for a spath!
Because they will NEVER ever get to feel likea normal person! All they can do is mirror behaviour.They know the words, but not the music. they are NEVER happy. They are empty vessels. as the Bible says, “Clouds without rain,they roam the earth,lost souls,” without proper souls,never happy, always empty. Sex doesnt satisfy them, nothing does for long.At their core they KNOW they are shit, thats why they project it onto us. As long as they can get US to believe WE are the shity ones, it deflects it off of them. They throw all of their shit onto us, and when it sticks to us WE think its OUR shit. No it isnt! Its theirs!!
At their core they DESPISE themselves. TRUE.So dont believe they are happy, they never are.
Love,
Mama gemXX
MamaGem,
you got it right. It does suck for the spaths. All the things that they slime us with, they do it because they are intimately familiar with those feelings. They want us to have a taste of what they feel all day long, every day. If they can turn us into what they are, that would be a good day for them, but we empaths are just tooooo fricken good and we don’t want to turn, so we suffer instead. AMAZING isn’t it?
My spath said to me, “I’m tired of your God-like ways.”
He had tried for YEARS to make me envious. He had recruited the neighbors and my sister and brother in law to do so as well. It was amazing how these people would pinpoint the very things that I needed or wanted (or so my spath thought) in my life and would shove them in my face, but all I did was act really happy for them – because I was.
Well, except for my neighbor, cynthia. My roof needed replacement/repair after a tree went through it. Spath spent all the money that the insurance gave me to fix it: $25,000.00.
Then Cynthia shows up to tell me what a great job the roofers did on her house and she hardly had to pay anything because of the economy. I KNOW that spath sent her to do it. I have a recording of them talking which they didn’t know that I have. They acted like they didn’t know each other.
But before all that, I just really didn’t care about Cynthia or her new roof. Why the fuck would I care? How many people in the world have new roofs? Millions? Am I gonna sit around envying every stupid new roof? LOL! It’s spathalogical to think I would envy Cynthia’s new roof! But I totally get how he thought that I would. OMG, spaths are SOOOOO STUPID!
So, although I’m not actually happy for Cynthia and her new roof, I don’t envy her either – since she is a spath – I just don’t give a shit, I don’t even pity her.