By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Kim, on the sexuality issues…I am also celibate but because I no longer see Sex for me as something outside of a committed relationship. A “bonding ritual between two people who deeply care about each other.”
It isn’t just about the “feel good” touches of two bodies getting a fine layer of sweat between them….or an orgasmic feeling…not that those things aren’t “good feelings” but I don’t want to exchange body fluids with someone who doesn’t LOVE me….who is doing the same thing with others as well. To say nothing about the potential for FATAL OR HORRIBLE DISEASES….
There was a while after my husband’s death when I felt “oh, no! I’ll never be able to have sex again” WOE IS ME!!!!!!! (high pitched whine here! LOL) But really, the biggest sex organ in the body is between our ears….we don’t have to give up “being sexual” beings just because we are alone and not in a relationship, and we dont’ have to start having physical intimate relationships with “FWB”s or with strangers.
True “intimacy” between two people doesn’t happen INSTANTLY, it grows over TIME…both sexually and emotionally. That “love at first sight” or instant attraction of crawling into bed on the first date or two and getting a big RUSH is not true intimacy in my thinking, but simply the HORMONAL RUSH we get from “new love” which is CHEMICAL and even under the best of conditions only lasts for 18 months to 3 years into the relationship to hold it together until the real intimacy and deeper love come into play.
I had the BIG RUSH with my P boyfriend after my husband’s death, but I saw that he was NOT going to be true to any one woman, and I couldn’t handle that…and he was emotionally abusive and I think would have and could have been physically abusive as well. It wasn’t easy, but breaking it off with him was the ONLY choice I felt I had and I don’t regret it at all. I feel VERY SORRY sorry for the woman he did marry.
Sexuality is not just about “doing it”—or not “doing it”—it is about how we feel and think and I may not be a “hot young thing” any more with lots of admiring glances at my boobs, but you know, I’m a lot more and a lot better woman today than I was then…the packaging is just a bit wrinkled, but what is inside is much better…and I’m still a woman, and a sexual being and will be until I die!
farwronged,
sorry you are in pain. But please don’t feed the sociopath. He would LOVE to know exactly how much he hurt you and how. Then he would add the information to his arsenal for hurting other people.
If you want revenge, I will tell you how: NC.
They can’t stand not to be able to manipulate you. They want and need contact so he can see you going through emotional hell when he pulls your strings. No Contact IS a form of revenge.
LL
I am SO WITH YOU in this today. Are you feeling any better? Some suggestions. Take the sad words you’re thinking, and sing them to a tune like jingle bells. Or, if you’re picturing a scene, imagine that scene on somebody’s tshirt, or, take the people in the vision and put a banana up their nose?
Dear farwronged,
NO contact is hell for them….they dont’ know what is going on and they don’t have control, and for them lack of CONTROL over you, using you however they want to, doing whatever nasty thing they want to and hurting you and then having you come crawwwwwwling back like a kicked dog to listen to their lies….
NO CONTACT is the worst revenge in the world for them. You can do it. So what do you need this guy for any way? MORE PAIN?
farwronged, thank god it’s only 8 months. can you imagine what it would be like if it’s in 12 months? 12 years? Run like hell now. Read everything on this site. People don’t change. I wish I would have found this site 8 months into meeting my SPATH. it only gets worse.
Farwronged – hello and welcome to LF. Well done for going NC it’s your best weapon.
Now let’s see…….
1. ‘cheating on me’
2. ‘he probably told her some bogus lie about me being crazy.’
3. ‘one of his mind games,’
4. ‘I love you text’
5. ‘ catch him in lies.’
6. ‘call me insecure and say he couldnt be in a relationship with someone who was alwasys accusing him of things when he was innocent.’
7. ‘want revenge’
I guess if we run a poll on here your words would echo 99.9% with us all. You are not alone, stay and learn.
Sk,
Yea, kinda stuck. His words keep playing in my head.
Glad I have my group tonight.
Farwronged: Ever hear this stuff?
1. You always win.
2. You always want to start a fight
3. False accusations again
4. why do you always lie about me
5. You don’t want me to meet anyone else, you don’t want me to be happy
6. Well, if you’d stop being so mean, maybe we could have worked the relationship, but oh well
7. I’ve always been kind to you and NEVER EVER LIED TO YOU, I’ve always been open and honest with you (LIE)
8. I”ve always done nice things for you or bought you things you needed.
9. You’re a bitch
10. Well, if you’d stop being such a bitch…..(this line was said often)
11. you’re flabby
12. I”ve always loved and cared about you.
13. I never said/did that.
14. You’re making shit up
15. You’re wrong
16. You’re imagining things.
17. Why do you need to hurt me?
18. False accusations, you'[re hurting me. (OFTEN SAID)
19. I’m tired of being falsely accused!
20. You wouldn’t understand (implying stupidity)
21. You said you’re smart, so why haven’t you figured out what I”m saying yet?
22. It’s always all about YOU, never about ME
23. I do everything you ask me to do.
24. That’s not nice/you’re not nice
25. Why do you always have to write a book (when explaining to him how he hurt me)
26. You make me miserable, You don’t love me, you’ve never loved me. (this one hurt the worse)
27. I’ve already offered dinner/lunch twice, I’m not going to offer again, are you going or not?
28. This is a pattern here, whenever I ask you to come over or go out, you won’t go. You’re always mad at me
29. Even if I wanted to be with someone else, you’d ruin it for me. (after contacting love bomb and catching him in lies).
And it just goes on and on and on with them this way…..
This is the kind of garbage that keeps me NC. Even while it’s painful.
LL
Hi candy,
I think this site is my only savior! At first I didnt even consider him a P. He lied about having a job and having a degree but I thought ‘hey, most guys do that to impress and pursue women.’ Then, the lies turned pathological and so detailed. Only crazy people would tell some of the lies he told. His behavior was always justified by some past incident that ‘hurt’ him. He would constantly disrespect me by calling me bitches and apologize blaming his mom for sleeping around and him watching her date many men at a time while he was growing up. So this explained his lack of respect for women. LOL Everything was always someone else’s fault!
Last week when I called it off I had finally had enough. I spoke with ONE of the women he was cheating with who he had told some of the very same lies to. I found some healing in our convo. I think it helped us both being able to laugh at him. But it still hurts like hell! Not the other persons that he cheated with and not the months I wasted with this jerk. But the mere fact that I feel so dumb! The fact that his love for me was not genuine. All of the affection was fake. I keep reading they are so good in bed, thank God he was not my best. That would have just been another reason to have me hooked and continually sleeping with him. I think back and there were many red flags that I ignored, one even came from his Aunt.
Reading the site, I have been able to understand the illness and see it in a better light. Its funny when he was ‘in control’ and breaking it off with me he would say I wasnt shit, hes moving on, etc…All while I was blowing up his phone looking for answers. Then a week would pass and he would call to go get dinner and act like nothing ever happened and I would take him back everytime! But last week after I finally broke it off with him and verbally abused him, told him i didnt need, want, or like who he REALLY was, called him a coke head loser, etc he has not responded. He has left me alone.
Mind you guys, along with dealing with a sociopath, he was also an alcoholic and coke addict (just learned that). So just imagine the inconsistent behavoir of a P under the influence of drugs and alcohol. It was awful. I am so blessed to have seen the light. Still trying to keep NC!
oh my goodness LL, have I not heard ALL of those things you just listed. I was always being the bitch that was his reasoning for breaking it off with me all those times. He even said after I told him never to contact me again that I was stupid because he never did anything but love me and be good to me. They lie through their freaking teeth!
LL,
you said you have group tonight. Are you in some kind of group therapy? I have been trying to find some meetings and support groups here in Atlanta to attend. I did find an al anon group but I rather attend something more specific to what we are dealing with.