By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Hi Katy,
see what a mess i landed myself into. even with all the advice here, I goofed and went into an emotional spin with him.
was a test, I came out burnt, maybe a lesson to never get to that stage again.
your thoughts.
petite
Yes Petite, you made a mistake. But it is a mistake that is easy to fix and actually you can come out ahead.
His response that he needs a few days to think about it, means that he wants to punish you for trying to get away from him. You caused him a narcissistic injury and he needs to think of the best way to torture you for it. All spaths do this. Mine began poisoning me the first time I left him and the third time, he secretly video taped our sexual encounter to use later against me. You are in more danger than before so maybe that will encourage you to avoid him.
Furthermore, spaths are all paranoid. there are many reasons for this. one reason is because they know that they intend to hurt everyone they know and they expect those people to eventually retaliate. Another reason is because they think that everyone is evil, since they are evil. Another reason they are paranoid is because they have talked themselves into believing that everyone is out to hurt them so that they can FEEL JUSTIFIED WHEN THEY DO EVIL THINGS.
Spaths don’t live in a world of reality, like you and I do. One Step/Joy posted today about her conversation with a 5 year old child. She said it was very much like her spath, in that the 5 year old was able to flow easily between fantasy and reality It is easy for them to believe what they want to believe so now that you have given him a narcissistic injury, he will believe that you are doing it on purpose and deserve to be punished.
Even as he believes that, he will believe the opposite at the same time. He will know that you really do love him and will find a way to torture you through your love. It will never occur to him that these two beliefs are contrary and can’t both be true at the same time. That’s because spaths are spathalogical!! 🙂
So Petite, is that the kind of creature you want to live with for the rest of your life? That is what I lived with for 25 years and almost died because of it. He has a personality disorder that used to be called Moral Insanity because he doesn’t seem insane until you start to look at the bizarre way he thinks about right and wrong. Then it becomes clear that he is completely insane – OR ELSE HE IS 5 YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!!!!
But anyway, it may now be to your advantage to pretend to be evil. You could let him believe that you emailed him with the idea of getting back with him because you are being evil and mean. This is your advantage because he will not know how to hurt you if you are evil.
It isn’t hard to convince the spaths of anything you want them to believe because, well, frankly, they are 5 YEARS OLD! Just play along with the story line. Say any bizarre thing that comes into your head or say nothing at all.
But I do want to warn you Petite, that the moment you contacted him again, you re-ignited his desire to hurt you. He may begin slandering you to your colleagues. I have no doubt that he is keeping your emails to show other people how CRAZY YOUR ARE!!! keep all the backspaths OFF OF EMAIL.
Be very careful, Petite. Remember that they are STORY DRIVEN CHARACTERS. Drama is what they thrive on so they will do whatever it takes to create more drama in everyone around them.
My standard advice still stands: Gray Rock, SHOW NO EMOTION.
((hugs Petite)) I know that it’s hard because you are human, but remember that he is not.
thanks dear skylar,
I agree with all you have said. I gave him a narcisstic injury in Jan when I told him at my place that I did not want to continue.
later, he still sent me some very sweet emails, so I thought when I would say – lets rethink, he would also say -” yes, I missed you,”becoz he did send me emails for a while after jan saying the same.
so I think he built up my expectations, by telling me he misss me, so that when I got ready with my emotional outburst, he was ready to send me into a tailspin by not saying sweet wods, instead saying he needs time to think about it and how he thinks distance will be a problem, and that I was the one who said in Jan, lets not go ahead and now I am asking to get back again.
ok, gray rock, no emotion.
I plan to say something like what I wrote in the above post or say nothing at all, when he does send me his reply.
No, I do not want to be with this kind of creature.
you said – it may now be to your advantage to pretend to be evil. You could let him believe that you emailed him with the idea of getting back with him because you are being evil and mean. This is your advantage because he will not know how to hurt you if you are evil.
cannot understand, can you explain a bit as to how this can be to my advantage and what words I can use back to him to come out with an advantage.
thanks sky.
petite
Petite,
The idea is to pretend that you broke up with him in January and then asked to see him again because you are only playing with his “heart”. The only reason I suggest this is because if he believes it, he will stop trying to play with YOUR heart because he will believe you don’t HAVE A HEART.
NC would work for this, you don’t actually have to say anything. Showing no emotion will work as well. Just say you changed your mind. My point, Petite, is that you STOP WEEPING in front of him or on the phone or in emails. Show NO EMOTION. When you show emotion, you have shown your hooks. When you show NO EMOTION, he will think you are like him: EMOTIONLESS. He will think you only pretended to care about him. So that is better than the truth, which is that you really did care about him.
Hi Sky,
By showing him my emotions – I think that as a normal man, he will value me for my love for him, he does not seem to get it and instead he uses my love for him to abuse me further. (narcissistic ways).
the pretending that I have no heart is a very difficult thing for me to do.
what I can do though – is go gray rock, no emotion in emails, phone call, and actually limit emails and nil phone calls. This I can do with not much difficulty. If need be – I will say – By thinking it over repeatedly – the long distance is a huge obstacle for a healthy relationship.
No emotion at all. no sweet kisses in the email or heart related words, just one solid sentence as above.
agree ?
petite
On Rumination
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2008/02/21/on-rumination/comment-page-1/#comments
Hi schic,
nice post on “rumination” with lot of good advice. helping me during this time.
I messed up as you have seen my post, but with all the help here, I am getting my strength back.
petite
Mr Green, a spath, makes the first comment.
It was actually interesting, although I don’t want to become “like them”.
Hi schic,
for sure, we cannot ever be ” like them “.
did you have a chance to read my post on how I messed up,
post on this thread at 1.04pm.
petite
petite, I just read about it.
ok, so you made a mistake,
don’t beat yourself up over it,
you are a human being. Haven’t most of us done this?
Skylar’s advice is perfect, go gray rock,
show no emotion, throw him for a loop…
he won’t know what hit him,
too bad. You’re just taking your control
back by going grey rock.
I think you’re doing very well,
many people do not learn from their mistakes.
I used to repeat them over and over thinking I
would get a different outcome… isn’t THAT insanity!!?
I’ve got to go now… see you tomorrow!