By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
MissLed,
Just write what feels comfortable for you to write when you decide to share. You don’t need to remember it all, as usually with spaths they gives us LOTS to remember! I know that sometimes when I write things out, it get more long winded as the feelings flow. But that’s okay too.
LL
Hi Farwronged,
I just joined recently as well. Found this lovely site in January – and about 3 years too late! Before I knew this site existed and what to do <(going NC) I had started NC in December, 13th to be exact. Don't think I'll ever forget that day….
;o) oh well.
How about you?
Thanks LL.
I’ve been reading here since January when I found this site. It’s amazing to see how much these guys have in common, Spaths that is. So I’ve been able to organize my thoughts somewhat as to what mine was/is and he’s definitely a N as well.
Then today I’m reading what others have heard these guys say, and it’s just amazing they are such big jerks! Then I think, why on earth did I put up with that?! I just couldn’t see it at the time.
Big waste of time knowing this man and with big regrets. I’m dumbfounded. Still in shock to tell you the truth.
Missled, I guess I will start NC tomorrow. LOL I sent a text this morning telling him I hated him, wished him death, and was not in love with such a phony! I just felt the need to say those things since he always gloated about all of his past exs not being able to let go and still sending i love you emails etc. Truth is I dont love him, I love the LIE. I broke it off with him just last week and now I just want revenge, I want him to suffer.
LL,
If I recall, you have known your S a lot longer than I did mine. I met mine on a train 3.5 years ago. And it was this past December that I did the final removal of the string he held onto me with.
Everything he said was like the ‘first time he ever said it to someone’. So obviously my radar was broken because I believed everything, he was good.
He was impressive, important, charming, ambitious, fit, then 48, M, (yes, I said M) But I was of course, fed a different story at the time… So, falling for all his crap, I turned into the OW without realizing what was happening to me.
farwronged –
My breakup is fairly new too, but the advice I have been given on here is definitely the NC or the gray treatment, where you are boring as hell to him. Believe me, I had a lot of hateful things that I wanted to say, and still want to say to my expath!! But I learned very quickly that that is exactly what these sicko’s THRIVE on. If you just totally ignore them, you are much better off. I have been NC officially only since April 2nd. I did block his phone numbers, and I am happy to report that his trying to contact me is getting less frequent. I am worried about him showing up at my apartment. But my point is…..BE BORING. Don’t give him the drama that he wants. Just my tid bit of advice that I learned from Ox. Good Luck. Stay strong. The best revenge is to not acknowledge him!
I know exactly how you feel, FarWronged, but it will take time to get to where I am (can’t believe I”m actually able to say that and mean it! lol!!) But I had 3.5 years dealing with this guy and there were plenty of breaking apart times only to go back to where we were.
So is this a first break away for you?
Be the first one to not chase after him! Let him eat that for a while! YOu must have broken it off for Some reason, right??
MissLed,
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh an OW, are ya? Unwittingly….I was too, but I knew about it when I went into it. Mine was good too. VERY good, much like you describe yours. I knew mine for ten years prior to becoming intimately involved and two years as “close” friends, sharing the horrors of our marriages (his was lying). I was just coming out of a twenty year marriage to my ex violent P. I’m struggling a lot with the OW thing though and I’m going to break it to my group tonight, but …maybe it will help some.
I’m glad you weren’t in too long. But it seems ten minutes five seconds is too long when it comes to a spath.
For me, it’s the lies that are unbelievable. candy put it here somewhere, but blame shifting, lying, ACTING AS IF NOTHING HAPPENED….boy that’s a big one with my ex. He did it to me CONSTANTLY and now I’m surprised how well I ADAPTED to that, no matter how pissed I was, it was as if when he pretended everything was okay, it was a relief. It took me along time to realize that it was one of the most abusive of the behaviors for so many reasons!
Anyway MissLed, Glad you’re here. Your story sounds like an interesting one!
Also, you should know, if you’ve not read it already here there are LOTS of breaking up/going back. I realized my spath loved that too. He loved it when I begged him back. So it felt good in my last email to him after he attempted contact, to tell him that I would no longer be giving him a reaction and he’d have to find that somewhere else. They love drama and if there isn’t any, they will make sure to create it!
LL
toogood,
Great advice but it’s really not fair to us at all. The best advantage we have going NC is that it causes them to get angry. I kinda like that. ;o)
My S called last December and wanted to get together (we live in different countries). So I said I would think about it. Then I sent an email about a week later and pointed out the lies I picked up on during that phone conversation. And even said that I was ‘angry’ which I found out Now probably wasn’t a good thing to say.
He then did what I expected him to do. He wrote me back saying how I misunderstood him and that we’ll wait until later (whenever that is!) to talk. ‘leave it a while'< he says.
He always liked to keep me hanging. I have no doubt he still thinks I think the world of him and I'm sitting here waiting to hear back.
But I didn't respond and haven't since.
I'm really proud of myself for finally letting go, it was the most difficult thing to do.
I vowed to help someone else who has gone or is going through what I went through. I had to make sense of my misery and do good with it!
Miss,
That’s great! Your Spath sounds a lot like mine, although a lot of them do anyway, but mine liked to leave me hanging too. It was fun for him. I always begged him back.
I wonder if that’s why the contact six weeks ago. He had been cyberstalking. I ignored him. Then let him know in the most BORING of terms that there would be no further reactions from me. I’m proud of myself too. I’ve never stayed away from him. I think he probably expects it, and wouldn’t that be a lot of fun if that happened and his new gf got a rile out of it.
Naw, he can play those games with his ex wife. He has joint custody. Thank God I don’t!!!
LL