By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
BABE!!!!!!
Ok, so once he moved in, you were hooked, honeymoon over.
PERIOD.
That’s ALL.
You got to see what he really WAS/IS once he thought he had you hooked.
And you were no dufus. You saw it, you dumped it. He set your ass up, Babe, You know this already.
I know, I spend far too much time trying to make sense of nonsense, but nonsense is all it is.
LL
Do not try to understand them. They are crazy as hell! LOL What keeps me going is not even seeing them as people they are just sick beings to me. They do not matter. they are here on earth as gifts from the devil only to hurt the ‘good’ people. They have no meaning or purpose here on earth but to corrupt and lie.
So why are you twisting yourself up again, Babe, over the dog?
It’s the SAME BOTTOM LINE, IT MAKES NO SENSE, YOU CANNOT MAKE SENSE OF NONSENSE!!!
LL
Oh Robxsy, that’s not good. 4 years later, huh?
Do you suspect him of seeing someone else? Why would he say that?
Making you angry is not something he seems to be worrying about, huh???
If ever you wonder what someone means when they say that to you, ask yourself what it would mean if YOU said it to someone. Then you’ll know.
Sorry you are going through this…
LL and MissLed:
LL…no, its not about the dog 🙂 …tonight at least. Just some stuff Ive been wondering about…I have to be able to separate what he said from who he was to me. Sure, he moved in, despite the fact he didnt feel ‘connected’since November…gimme a break! THEN WHY MOVE IN!!! He moved in because he WANTED to…if only to say ‘see, I tried and SHES difficult to live with”…
He said it to hurt me…
MissLed:
No, I dont suspect him of seeing someone else. I have not gotten that sense this time around. I think he didnt ever REALLY love me, used me because, well, he’s 37 and lives at home with his parents, bought me a dog that he couldnt have at his mommys and wanted ‘the good life’ which I could provide. BUT…I expected him to contribute…and that was the downfall. He COULDNT mooch off of me while living with me…so, he had to go…I WAS USED
Hi LL,
I have been reading, off and on, since last night. Hope you are well. I miss you, lots. Even though we only have known eachother through a cyber space connection.
What you wrote above, I quote you:
“Everything he said was like the ’first time he ever said it to someone’. So obviously my radar was broken because I believed everything, he was good”.
“He was impressive, important, charming, 48, M, (yes, I said M) But I was of course, fed a different story at the time” So, falling for all his crap, I turned into the OW without realizing what was happening to me”.
“Blame shifting, lying, ACTING AS IF NOTHING HAPPENED”.boy that’s a big one with my ex. He did it to me CONSTANTLY and now I’m surprised how well I ADAPTED to that, no matter how pissed I was, it was as if when he pretended everything was okay, it was a relief”.
All of it EXACTLY IDENTICAL TO MY EXPERIENCE/the predator that had been in my life for 9 months. I am always astonished at the amount of details present, that are the same about each of our occurances. I am doing so much better, now LL. It is definitely fading to a very large degree for me. I am grateful, no doubt. I have stayed off of the site for a bit for fear that I could be retriggered, after making great progress, but last night felt that I was in a place now that would allow for me to be ok, if I were to come back here and acquire a dose of sanity and love (and of course give some as well).
Miss you and the others here, very much..
Love,
Eden
Dear R-babe,
It is just more psychopathic babble—-it does not make sense, and when you get that WTF? feeling it is because what they are saying DOES NOT MAKE SENSE! Throw whatever gives you that feeling into the EMOTIONAL TRASH PILE and set fire to it! Watch it burn. It is nothing important. (((hugs)))
(((((((((((((( Eden!! ))))))))))))))))))
Was just thinkin about ya the other day, wondering how you were doing after chattin with Sky. I’m so glad to hear you’re doing so well and so much better and your post is a blessing! It is very validating to hear that others spaths have done the same things. Almost word for word with some. It’s truly amazing.
My progress is slow, but moving ahead.
Please don’t hesitate to ask for my email address from Donna, Eden!
Keep in touch! Your posts mean a lot! I’m so glad you’re doing well!!!
Miss you too, hugs!
LL
Rob, now you know. Everything they do is a calculated game. He knew what he was doing when he moved in.
Ox.
LOL-Psychopathic babble
I like it!