By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
(((((((((((((((( eden ))))))))))))))))))))))
That was an incredibly beautiful post.
I’m so happy you’re doing so well and feeling so much better.
I love you.
LL
Thank you, LL
Skylar, I believe, connected us via email. I haven’t opened it up, and I am exhausted, but I will absolutely send a message off to you, tomorrow. I am glad that we will be keeping in touch. It is important and meaningful to me. I should tell you that you have played a vital part in my healing and recovery, thus far. I think that you have helped me to gain much more insight than I would have, had I not met you, here, whether you know it or not. For several reasons, of course! My work is by no means finished. Onward and upward! But I am eternally grateful that I have arrived at this place, where I am, today.
Looking forward to a continued friendship, and here’s to you, on your continuing path to recovery.
I love you, too.
Eden
Not sure where I should post this so, here it is:
http://communichi.org/blog/?p=555
This person blogs with so much wisdom, I thought I would share it. The stuff he writes is inspiring and makes me feel better, I hope it helps others here.
Skylar, Thank you for posting the communichi blog link. You are right, about it. Awesome.
Thank you for linking LL and me! That was very sweet.
Goodnight… Sleep well!
Eden
LL:
Don’t have a clue how long i’ll have to be in this house…..thought I’d be loooong gone by now!
I’m getting a bit pissed off and over it with the bank…..telling them to just take the friggen house.
I’ve only had one winky offer…..from an egotystical retired 46 year old Dr.
He wrote me this ‘little missy’ type letter DIRECTLY, explaining why he offered me 150K off my asking price!
It was arrogant as shiat…….I pulled the grey rock on him and NEVER responded, told my agent not to respond either!
BITE ME!
I’m sorry your having a tough night…….you know the gig……this is why it’s important to take ‘snapshots’ of the good days……because when the bad hit…..you know it’s gonna be temporary!
Sometimes I think there are more and more ‘phases’ to healing.
I feel stuck with this clean up shiat…….I can ‘see’ the light at the end of the tunnel…..and i’m almost there……BUT this house is taking forever to just be done with.
The Jr’s are at the other house…….loving life! I stop by and make dinner and clean and unpack.
I’ve got a gf’s daughter who moved to town……she’s keeping eldest jr in line…..she’s been REAL good for me.
She’s 19 and got a good head on her shoulders…….as far as jr is concerned, she’s hot……and he try’s to impress her…..but at very least he turns to puddy around her…….she’s straight up with him…..it’s a GOOD thing!
I told her….it was her job to finish raising Jr.
She said…..she’s on it!
He takes whatever she dishes him…..without complaint, so She’s the new messenger.
I think when all is said and done……my plate will become lightened all at once…..this is my prediction.
Spaths case is still in front of the supreme court…..just saw a request for expedition was granted….not sure what /who requested that.
I hope to GOD it goes the way it needs to and he get’s pushed back to trial at the district level and CONVICTED finally!!!
I’ve found…..it sure get’s peoples attention when felonies are involved!!!!!
If he’s let off…..i’m afraid he’ll be coming back THIS way!!!!!
Our tpo is up next month……and this may be why he’s hoping for an expidited ruling. Don’t know.
It’s good to see connections being made here……I’m glad your part of that with other LFers……..allow the process and remember the good times.
XXOO
EB
Eden-
Thank you. That was really a beautiful post, and it gives me hope.
I AM AM AM going to get there. I am going to be on this site as often as it takes.
Thank you for reaching out.
SK
“My investigative skills must surely suck. My ex spath was only on one dating site that I know of. Of course I created a profile on it prior to our break up and (IRONICALLY) it “matched” us. How you guys find out that your snakes are on other sites amazes me.”
Lesson Learned;
I knew he had an online presence from my second night out with him, as his friends kidded me to ask him about his Gaydar.co.uk profile. Since many, many gay men have profiles on various sites, I did not think much of their comment. Later in conversation, I talked a bit out dating websites and how I did not do much online dating. He did not talk about his Gaydar profile or say much about online dating.
Of course, one thing I would learn about him is that when he did not talk about a topic, it was because he was hiding something. However, at the time, I took his lack of response to mean lack of interest, meaning like myself, he did not do much online dating.
Right after we broke up, I received an email about this one dating site. I joined it and did some looking around. I found a profile that matched him very well, as it contained both his initials and birth year (something like jw1975). All the details were correct except for birth month and location, so I did not think it was him.
Later, I would learn that he would use different birthdays and different details (i.e. height + or – an inch) so you never knew for sure unless there was a picture. When he used a picture, none were current enough to provide an accurate representation of what he looks like today.
The first site I actually found him on was suggested by a friend as being for “serious” dating. While mostly straight, it does have a bit of a gay following. I had never heard of it before and decided to give it a try, I was still not juvenile (what do you think of most? “boys, vodka, sleepover a shingles outbreak, bored and hurt over the x-spath.
I filled out a profile, answered about 200 matching questions and looked through the results. Paging through the matching results, I saw a guy that looked like the x-spath, only younger. The age was correct, but the profile was so juvenile (what do you think of most? “boys, vodka, sleep”) that I skipped over it. After browsing more profiles, something just clicked and I thought to myself it was him, so I went back to his profile and looked again at the picture and realized it was him.
Of the 500 or so “matches” the x-spath was in the top 20.
More to come but I have to run…
I really don’t want to do this. Right now, because of false domestic violence claims filed against me I can’t have any contact.
I don’t want contact the person but I’d like to contact acquaintances which we both know and anonymously provide information about the SPs past, including her criminal activity, bankruptcy, foreclosure, the lawsuits she’s filed against me and other people. I’d like the people that think she’s such a nice person to know the truth and that I’m not a wife beater.
Dear Michael,
Welcome to love fraud, and I KNOW THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO EDUCATE THESE PEOPLE and make them see the truth—-but unfortunately, under the circumstances, I don’t need a crystal ball to tell you THEY WILL NOT BELIEVE YOU EVEN IF YOU HAVE DOCUMENTS TO BACK UP WHAT YOU SAY….it is called “the smear campaign” and it is what ALMOST EVERY P does to their victims.
They smear us and try to blame us, lie on us, file false charges, tell their next victim that their last victim was crazy, mean, criminal, etc. and paint themselves as a VICTIM instead.
It is a VERY COMMON almost UNIVERSAL ploy that the psychopaths use to devalue us not only in their own eyes but in the eyes of others.
LIFE AIN’T FAIR. JUSTICE AIN’T JUST.
I wish I could be more hopeful, but as bad as it sticks in your throat, your best chance is to hold your head up, validate your OWN TRUTH, and find new friends. I (and many others here) have had to walk away from our (almost) entire families, many friends, and our community reputation. I fought hard to show people I was NOT the kind of person who would abuse my “mother” and try to steal money from her (the people who DID do this went to jail/prison) but still she kept on telling people I was the guilty one even though I had lead a professional and morally straight life in my community for nearly 60 years—but she is the one who is believed and she still sends money to my P-son who is in prison for MURDER! Yea, go figure. I’m the bad guy and he’s in prison for murder! He’s the thief (along with his friends he sent to help him steal from her and murder me and probably her as well) but she sends him money and I’ve never taken a dime from her. Don’t need it or want it.
I know it grates on your nerves when people believe lies that she has told, but unfortunately trying to defend yourself sometimes just makes you look more guilty. Believe me I KNOW and so do others here. It is part of the pattern of abuse. Again, welcome, sorry you need to be here, but there is a lot of healing support and information here. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. So read and learn! God bless.
Eden,
you said
“I am now going through a stage of being someone afraid that if I let all of my thoughts and memories vanish into thin air, I will lose my perspective of many things ”
do not fear this! you will never forget the lessons in life even if you long forget the person you learned them from.