By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
thanks Schic,
what does “throw him for a loop” mean.
I gave him a narcisstic injury in Jan when I told him at my place that I did not want to continue.
later, he still sent me some very sweet emails, I thought he really missed me, so I thought when I would say ”“ lets rethink, he would also say -” yes, I missed you,”.
Instead, He built up my expectations, by telling me he misses me, so that when I got ready with my emotional outburst, he was ready to send me into a tailspin by not saying sweet words, instead saying he needs time to think about it and how he thinks distance will be a problem, and that I was the one who said in Jan, lets not go ahead, and now I am asking to get back again. Basically inflicting back the injury onto me.
I think I have been insane a few times and this was the latest one – one that taught me much about myself.
Ok gray rock it will be.
petite
Oxy, there you go with the snake references again. LOL I heard that story with a scorpion instead of a snake.
But I wanted to comment on the main point of the article. I hung in with my ridiculous spath for 3 months or so because I DIDN’T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON. I believed the stories he had told me that would have explained his weird behaviors. As soon as I figured out that he was lying and playing some sort of game with me, I made my exit. I asked him never to contact me again. I made my intentions crystal clear. In fact I threatened him with turning him in to the army if I even saw him on my internet site again. And I made GOOD of my threat! But I never ever spoke to him or wrote to him again. What is the point?
When you see what they are, you know you will never be able to reason with them, to get any kind of empathy out of them or to get them to keep their word about anything. So what is the point of talking to them?
Fortunately for me I never went into the infamous “fog”. As soon as I figured it out, I was gone. It took a long time afterward, though, to wrap my brain around the depth of the deception and the personality type. My brain tricked me for a few months into thinking maybe he really did love me. That’s what LF is for. They all gave me a dose of reality.
I consider myself one of the lucky ones. I got in and out quickly. But it doesn’t matter how long you’ve been involved. You can still get out and get on with your life. The way I saw it, the sociopath took 3 months of my life. Why give him one more second of it?
Oh Petite,
I understand how hard it is to let the dream go. I have had a hard time letting go of my dream with the guy in Costa Rica I met last fall. I have the option of trying to meet up with him in May when I’m there. I will be going right through his town. I’m struggling with this. But the reality is that he has moved on with his life. Very likely sleeping with other women (probably not just one, but who knows). He may even be happy to see me. His eyes may get teary and he may want to get close to me again. But an occasional romp in the hay with a favorite lover is not what I want ultimately. I will get hurt all over again. Even when NOT dealing with sociopaths, long distance relationships that span continents just seem doomed to fail. I am a hopeless romantic and held onto the dream as long as I could. But the reality is that if he really wanted me, he would beg me to come back. He would go out of his way to see me. This has not happened. So I have to decide what I need to do to protect my heart. And he didn’t play ANY games with me, Petite. He was completely honest. Sounds like yours is the master of games – keeping you hooked and then discarding you, but keeping you on a string. Let it go, petite. Look at how it drains your energy. Life is too short to play these games with people. If this man truly wanted you, you would be together.
wow, this thread just really sums it up, this one needs to have a sticky and stay at the top
Hi Star,
good morning to a nice weekend for you.
yes, my guy is a master at deceit and a game player. he played it for so long by keeping his wife in the dark.
I am very tired, you are right, they take up so much of our energy. I am going to let him go and let the crap go with him.
as Oxy said – I don’t care what he thinks, whether he wants to keep me on a string or place me on the chariot of love. it doesn’t matter. I have no interest in understanding his games anymore.
thanks Star for all the advice.
I also have many triggers like you said listening to some songs that made you cry etc. my biggest trigger is this weekend, where now in USA, he is at a meeting and this was the meeting we had met last year at the same time and shared some lovely (fake) times. I thought I would be curled in the fetal position thinking of him with the another woman, but I must say that thanks to LF, I feel calm and composed and a feeling of “being fed up” to even think of what he must be upto.
I don’t care, he is not my business anymore.
petite
Petite,
Your post is a great way to start my weekend, honey. Be prepared for him to try to drag you back in. Then you can just sit back and observe his games without responding.
I am also having a hard time with the neighbor that I slept with a few times – seeing him around the complex more now that the weather is nicer. I’ve been considering walking away from my condo for 5 years now. This may just be the year to do it. It would be great never to have to see him again either. And also to get out from under this albatross of a property that I’m very upside down on.
Star,
GOOD FOR YOU! I think that’s a great idea!!! You”re growing so much!
I’m really proud of you!
LL
Petite,
It will pass. I agree with Star, he will try to lure you back in. If you can block his emails, then you wouldn’t even know about it.
Just hang on!
LL
yes Star,
get away from the neighbour. even a glimpse of them can send us into a tail spin.
you are a very strong woman Star, just move and find a nice more affordable place, most importantly a place where there is mental peace.
are you in Los Angeles, I thought you were somewhere in California – and I am sure it is terribly expensive there.
I am not sure what games he will have in place for me, I don’t even want to rent him that space in my brain. However, he will come up with some prank and it will always aim at making me feel guilted, however, now I am strong, I know Oxy’s mantra to me – whatever he says or thinks – doesn’t matter, doesn’t matter, doesn’t matter.
petite
Hi LL,
good morning,
missed talking to you last night, I think you went to bed early.
Skylar and Schic were awake and they gave me some good advice.
today I finally decided – No More, I am not going to fear him, worry about him, yearn for his approval, wait for his swet words – nothing – no more.
and i feel so relieved.
Have been doing bank work, paper work, sorting out snail mail, filing, etc. this evening something which I was not paying any attention to for the last 3 months.
It is nearly midnight here, so will soon go to sleep.
He can go sleeping around and as Oxy said – give my nightmare to others, I have no interest in his life at all.
petite