By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
The campfire… oh my, I just read it again!
At the end he just switches right over to…
“we must now resolve the property issue”
and I forgot about the part where he tries to make you look like the crazy one,
sitting around alone drinking and taking pills at night…
why would you just be doing it at night? Why not all day and night?
What an ass. They are idiots.
My daughter is good. I really have felt blah,
I can’t explain it. I’m going through the motions,
but nothing is happening.
I am glad the hypnosis is helping! I have some sessions
on a CD I should listen to. Some of them are very relaxing…
When I have friends around and we go out to lunch
somewhere nice and then walk down to the pier…
I forget I’m blah and I have fun!!!!!!!!
I need more fun things to do!
SS it’s funny how they make you appear to be the unstable ones. Mine just sent a text simply “krazy” spelled wrong and all. LL when you make love it is not so much about the passion but actually a spiritual bond between two (sane) individuals with a mutual love. When ‘real’ love is present the passion is subconsciously displayed, its natural, its right. Just because someone holds you, french kisses you, and may even look you in the eyes telling you how much he loves you while he pokes you slow is not always making love.
*My spath used to fuck me and I say FUCK because that is all he did to me, that very same way and I am accepting the fact that it was not real! Only another manipulation tactic.
LL, yes, it’s me 😀
sky suggested super instead of shabby,
I was sick of my name.
I like super chic, kinda sounds like super freak, hahahhahaha
I thought I was “making love” when I had sex with spath,
I was in love, I was making love, but to him I could have been a blow up doll.
I’ve been feeling sad too… oh yeah, I cringe when a man looks at me.
Don’t want to go there, don’t trust, can’t deal with hurt.
I must say I was always afraid of being alone…
and ya know, it’s not that bad, yes I do get lonely sometimes,
would like to have someone to lean on…
but I’m damn picky now.
me too, Super Chic.
I was invited to go to a sleep clinic by my BF’s doctor in San Diego. It pays you to try out new sleep drugs. I’m really considering it for 8 days. LL is interested in trying it out. Are you? I just have to get the nerve up. Everything is hard for me because I spent so much time doing nothing and talking to nobody for 25 years. just going out and meeting people is scary, much less anything that disrupts my boring routine.
farwronged, no, it wasn’t dull, I was just saying
his johnson wasn’t the nicest one I have ever seen! 😀
and I’ve seen plenty! HAHAHA JUST KIDDING!!
I really thought if the guy looked me in the eyes and
said he loved me… that he really meant it!
Poke or no poke, slow, fast, whatever.
skylar, I can’t get 8 days off work or I would try it!
I have time off scheduled in June because my daughter
is coming here for a visit. Not liking this job I have is very
wearing on my soul… but grateful to have a job with good benefits,
so what if I drop dead from it!
I have to take my Ativan now.
ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE YOU GUYS SO MUCH!!
Super CHIC, LOVE THE NAME CHANGE!!! IT SO FITS YOU!!
I heard you all met up. SO ENVIOUS….yea wanna do the sleep stuff with Sky. We shall see.
You guys make so much sense. It feels good to be in a place where people get it.
Super chica, I KNOW….I’m okay being alone, but shiat….I MISS sex SO bad…just four months out, but not enough to go through what I went through….realizing that a lot of what I experienced was sexual abuse…this is THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE that I DON”t want a relationshit! not even for sex!! WHO AM I? LOL!
YOu guys so inspire me! Thank you for being here tonight through my craziness……..Far, you’re 26 and you’re getting it? Seriously Sky, do you know how many lives could be saved with donna’s educational pursuits of the teen sector or how many more if we all have a part in this in teaching other kids too? Who says we can’t introduce into our own communities?
Ok, anyway..it’s been a super tough night, but you ladies have reallly helped make it so much better! I’m so grateful for LF.
Sky, we all live so close, you super chica, and eden. I sure wish we could all take a road trip and meet up. YOU”RE so blessed!
HUgs to you all. Thanks for taking hell night and turning into a walk in the clouds of heaven with friendship.
LL
Super chic, I beleieved that bull shit too. I hate people that misuse the L word. It is easy for them to tell lies in your face without a care in the world. They could probably ace a polygraph. You know what though, one thing is an ordinary ‘player’ type guy would not even put in as much work as a spath does. Most player men are cold but honest, which I can respect. Nobody lies like a spath. Studies his victim, then goes in for the kill. It is so animalistic. Another reason I am convinced they are not human! Boy, I will know next time.
Super Chica.
I like ativan at night for sleep!
Blessings to you!!
LL
I’m in GA…anyone here? 🙁