By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Hi LL nd Sky,
I have no trip planned to the USA, but I can plan one. I do get excited at the thought of being able to meet some of you and as you stay close to each other, I thought we could look into the details.
I enjoy reading your posts and the advice you are giving FAD and some new posters.
excellent advice.
so, my friends – I am not going to any meetings this year so I will not see the jerk. However, I am worried that my colleagues will be going to meetings where he will be there. I am scared as to how would I react, if they came back and told me, “petite – we saw jerk, he was with X or Y and he introduced her as his girl friend and she was so beautiful.”
My colleagues do not know of me and jerk, they know of us as good colleague friends only. so they will tell me this in an innocent manner.
how should I handle myself at that time.
petite
Petitie,
You handle it as the graceful woman you are. Calmly, while knowing in your heart that the faux presentation that is verbally described is just that.
I understand how you feel petitie, because I’m faced with the same. Although I think my jerk goes out of his way to avoid being even in my city right now, because I believe he thinks that if I see him with new gf, I would spill the beans…lol! I did it with the love bomb prior to new gf. Since I was the mistress, he doesn’t want that cat out of the bag, It’s his biggest lie to date.
ANd a huge red flag for any potential and now, gf.
I’m super triggered and upset tonight, so I'[m going to sign off here, petitie, but you’re doing very well and I’m really proud of you!!!
I would think it would be cool if you could come as soon as you can arrange it! Would LOVe to meet you, as well as working it out with others schedules too. Ox doesn’t know if she can make it away from the farm.
LL
Hi LL,
don’t be so triggered. take it easy.
what does this mean – you said – Calmly, while knowing in your heart that the faux presentation that is verbally described is just that.
Yes, the US trip is on my mind.
petite
Petitie,
I can tell the US trip is on your mind, because you mention it a lot. So why not go ahead and make plans? I would LOVe to meet you! remember? We were suppose to have a spath free woo hoo dinner! So why not have sky, Ox (if she can), Eden, Shabby chica, …go along too? Would be really fun!
What I mean, Petitie, is that others will tell you things that make it seem as if he is living some charmed life with another chica, or on his arm, attracted to him, living with him, shoot, even married to him….faux- false. Psuedo. UNREAL…
Spaths are GREAT a presentation. But it’s false. It isn’t real. They do A LOT (particularly the professionally successful ones like yours and mine), to maintain that mask of public sanity…well respected, well spoken…..can even spell correctly…they don’t need the money, are not socially unacceptable losers, don’t need anyone’s money or status, have power and control in their positions….but in so many ways, they are the worse petitie………..because their illusions of presentation are completely false……but the only way to know that is to be intimately involved………….everyone around your spath, professionally will think he’s wonderful, thus the faux presentation………but you know what it is, because you were involved with him…
We’re susceptible to the presentation, Petitie of professional, well spoken, financially successful men.
Don'[t fall for it.
Hugs
LL
Thanks LL.
It makes me feel better. yes, I know it is false, but as you said – since they are such good at the act, the drama, the presentation, that you feel – maybe, the other girl got the dream. So, As you said – I must quickly remind myself, that it is all false, an act as I have been there and know it for real.
my trip to USA – was thinking of either mid May or if not it will be after June. MidMay seems a bit too soon – as I have things at work, however, I am trying to check my schedule and see what fits well.
I am thinking of 2 days and 2 nights, with you + Sky + others if they are free, in Portland or Seattle and then I will be in California for a week with my brother +family.
petite
Petitie,
You can do this. I don’t think Ox can make it then, she has other stuff going on.
I don’t know what Sky has going on. I’m trying to move too.
I don’t know if there is a time that isn’t a good time lol! So maybe just planning it is best. Who knows?
Nite petitie.
Remember, whatever you hear is FALSE!!!!!!
XXOO
HUgs
LL
LL and Sky,
how is May 19th to 21st 2011. Sky, I can fly to Portland also, I found a flight. is the time good for both of you. I will send Oxy an email.
can we also check with Eden and Superchic.
petite
Petitie,
As far as my schedule goes, it sounds good to me. I have blank slate those days.
The rest is up to Sky, Ox, Eden and superchica.
LL
Petitie,
If you fly into Portland, Sky would have to drive here.
Eden and Superchica I believe are in cali. Eden was discussing coming up to portland to meet me (so excited I just adore her!) but not sure when yet.
I hope we can make this work.
How long has it been since you’ve been the U of O Petitie? Sure has grown a lot!
I am ok with Portland or Seattle, you and Sky can decide which place.
I have sent a email to Oxy now.
I was in USA just last year – when I met the jerk.
can we also check with Eden and Superchic.
petite