By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Star,
I don’t agree with you on this. I see this part of you that I admire so much because you’re without FEAR and that you’re willing to try, but there is also this essence overlooking what one should be cautious about re: waiting to get our shit together, without a romantic or sexual involvement..
There is something to be said, I honestly believe, for being alone for a LOOOOONG time, getting therapy, learning to love ourselves without a penis present.
Why does it have to be a ROMANTIC relationship that we have to be fulfilling? I don’t agree with that.
reminds me of that movie line (so stupid) Tom Cruise to Rene Zellweger “You complete Me”
If that’s the case, we’re all in trouble over and over again.
Why not work on relationships that already exist and deserve our attention until a “male species” comes along?
I think the happiest place one could ever be, is with themselves, Star. And in that place, it doesn’t matter whether a romantic relationship is involved or not.
It’s about the relationship with yourself. And if someone is not whole, they will seek out those to help fill the void.
Just my opinion. But still respect yours too 🙂
LL
LOL,
LL, I just read your post, and it’s fine to talk about me in the third person. LOL It’s also fine to disagree with me about anything. That goes for everyone here. I’m a bit of a fruit loop in all the circles I run in, so I’m used to it. Every person I told that I was going to Costa Rica to look for snakes in the jungle looked at me like I was just completely crazy. I’m used to getting that look from people.
It’s funny how you think my life is so rich. I feel it is just the opposite – overrun with fear and often, pain. The last risk I took was in Costa Rica with Raymond. It was a huge risk, and I grew a lot. I’m very proud of myself for not running away when my fears all got triggered from being with him. I reached out for love instead of running away. And I got lots of it, if only for two weeks. I want to take more risks like these in my life because they make me feel alive. I may need to be more discerning about who I take them with.
When you get your therapist, LL, you may find that you grow and expand in therapy because you take risks with your therapist, letting him or her see things about you that you would never want anyone to see. That is a risk, and I admire you for the willingness to go there. Just to trust someone after what you’ve been through is HUGE. It is no different than what you admire about me. To me, travel is not a huge risk. The biggest risk is opening up and showing people the real me – all of my fears of rejection, my narcissism, even my midlife crisis fears. That is terrifying. I so didn’t want my neighbor to see me be weak because I was trying to be the type of woman I imagined he wanted, instead of just being myself. And it backfired. Being myself may have also driven him away, too, but at least I could say I gave it my best shot, and I know he wasn’t right for me.
All of the real life-changing risks I’ve taken I can count on one hand. One was the guy in Costa Rica. Another was auditioning for that rock band. And a huge one was that guy in college I was vulnerable with. All of the travel was somewhat of a risk, but mostly it put me in the position to meet some of these people and gave me the confidence to do some cool things. I have great stories to tell for sure. But to take risks you don’t need to go to another country or be in a rock band. The hardest risks (for me) are the risks of the heart.
I have to agree, LL, that if you are not intimate with yourself, you cannot have true intimacy in a relationship. If you really are very unconscious, you will probably have dysfunctional relationships, seeking out a co-dependent partner who has the opposite dysfunction.
But I know of a lot of people who have had very screwed up lives, and with the love of someone really special, were able to to turn their lives around. The key is being open to that kind of caring and trusting them. If you have been hurt so deeply by so many people, you may not be in a place where you can receive or trust. I believe that there is no time frame for transforming. It happens as quickly or as slowly as you allow it.
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I don’t know if it’s about “allow”. put into that context, I could “allow” another man into my life and I can tell you it would be a disaster!!!
Because I think if there is even an INCH of self loathing and not self love, my selection process will be TOTALLY skewed.
OMG, I so need comedic relief!
This is just too painful.
Thanks for responding, Star. Some of it I’ll have to chew on like a cow on cud………….or rather my foster daddy with his skoal.
HUGS
LL
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I did not mean to suggest that you should run out and find another man or suggest that you are ready to even consider it. You will know when you are ready, and it will probably coincide with a time when there is someone you feel drawn to. And the trust part might be difficult after what you’ve been through. For me, being “ready” for a relationship is when A) there is someone I’m drawn to, and B) the desire for closeness outweighs the fear. Apparently, I’m not there yet either because I still have a lot of fear.
All I am saying is that anything is possible. 🙂 I had to make your hug bigger. 🙂
))))))))))))))))LL((((((((((((((( comedy relief is here…What did Adam say to Eve the first time they made love?
i give hens, what did adam say?
HE said ” you better stand back, I don’t know how big this is going to get ~!”
hhahaha…basic boy wishful thinking!
Thanks ya’ll. I just kinda feel like a guy right now. I have too much testosterone in me I think. My hormones are messed up anyway. Onestep-I think I am a little more twitterpated in the springtime too. I went to the dinner tonight and it was nice. I wasn’t feeling too great cuz of the curse and I gained like 8 lbs overnight after we had beer and a burger last night. She usually hugs on me a lot and I was a little apprehensive cuz my confidence was a little low. I felt like a cow tonite-like my body was 4 times bigger than usual. She came over to talk to me when she got home. She noticed that I was different and asked if I was OK and we talked for awhile. I just can’t take my eyes off of her. I don’t feel all crazy about “wanting to take care of her” like I said. I think it came across different. It just makes me feel good to help her with groceries and just treat her well-like a lady. Like I said, it’s my masculine qualities coming out. I didn’t get what I needed to get done today completed since I felt like crap, so tomorrow I am going to the sheriffs office to apply for the 911 dispatcher job and the security guard company for the armed guard job. I also got a call from the army reserve about a nursing job, so I need to call them back.