By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Hey Star,
I went to my hypno again today, too. We did EFT instead. I’m not feeling like anything she does actually changes me and yet, there is a change. We also talk for a long time. Maybe that’s it. Maybe we all need someone to talk to and the internet isn’t enough.
Yeah, the $100/session is a bitch. gotta focus.
Oh hey Star, we posted over each other.
Star,
I guess it all depends on what you want out of a relationshit/p. You must be clear on that. There are times when I waiver: Is this what I want? is this what’s best for me?
I’m not always clear. I don’t have all the answers but when I see that some answers are buried somewhere, that’s where I dig. It’s not always fun or easy. But it’s always informative. As long as I’m learning new things, I know I’m digging in a good place.
Am I digging in the best place? How would I know until I’m done digging? You have to make a choice on where you will search for your answers. The other thing you have to know is, you have to have a pretty good picture of what you’re looking for, otherwise you will miss all the clues. Like I did for 25 years.
There will be false leads. I remember telling my spath sister, “it’s amazing what you learn when you commit to being with someone for a long long time. A long term commitment reveals things you could never learn if you just quit when times get tough.”
OMG – I was so right, but at the same time, I didn’t know what the fuck I was talking about.
I have so much trouble with this. My dad is a sociopath and I married a sociopath. My dad was hitting my mom, who has altzheimer’s. I got adult protective services involved and they recommended adult day care 2 times a week and opened a case to keep an eye on things. Then my youngest brother got involved because I found out he had talked my mom into taking out a home equity loan so he could open a pizza place and, as she got sicker, my dad was paying this out of my mom’s money. My dad had never contributed to the household in all their 50 plus years of marriage. I went to court and got a guardianship assigned who is now seeing that my mom gets the care she needs (there is someone coming in to cook for her and administer her meds). My dad had let her go for over a year without seeing a doctor and was not buying her altzheimer’s meds because he thought the costs too much, while he was spending her money like crazy. I no long go to visit because it is so hard to be around my dad or my brother and I actually feel afraid of my brother. My dad’s side of the family no longer speak to me at all. I feel like I’ve lost a lot by doing the right thing, but at least I know my mom is getting what she needs (she was down to 100 lbs) and my dad and brother no longer have access to her social security or pension. During the course of all this I had a mini stroke (there were no lasting side affects). I believe my dad and brother would have let my mom slowly die. My brother was talking about putting her into a home because of the stress all this was caring for her was causing my dad, yet he fought me against using her money for adult day care or spending her money for any care for her. I am glad that the guardian and senior options are taking all the steps needed to let my mom stay in her home (which she paid for) as long as possible. My dad let my mom pay for everything for the house, all five of us kids, etc. while he cheated, beat her, beat us, etc.
Thanks for listening
What a sad story. That poor woman being her whole life the slave of a psychopath. And still a lot of people believe there’s room for goodness in those that perform such actions.
Yes, cathy, you that have conscience do something because your “dad” and your “brother” have none at all.
Star-I have to be able to get to know her a lot better as friends before anything can ever be done about that. Us virgos are extremely slow moving and I don’t want to hurt myself or make her uncomfortable or ruin the friendship. I have to be able to develop the friendship first. We have so much more communicating to do first. She hasn’t disclosed a ton about herself yet and she is just now starting to get comfortable with that-letting me in. This lady has been alone for a LONG time. I want to know how she feels about women before I would ever consider telling her how I feel. I have a ton of patience and I can wait because if I reveal this to her and my radar is off and she doesn’t want anything to do with it, it will be real bad. I would probably have to move and I would lose the friendship. I won’t lose the friendship cuz my hormones are going crazy. It will be OK.
Sky
Good for you! I don’t think the internet IS enough. There is something that makes things more “real” when you’re talking things through. I hope you keep going, even though that’s an awful lot of money to spend, but well worth it if it helps improve how you’re feeling!
LL
one/joy_step_at_a_time says:
LL ”“ you said: ’I feel DISEMBOWELED.’
i feel like i had a baby cut from me.
I’m a guy, but I think I know how you feel; having some part of you ripped from you.
Spath’s are like Vampires in a way. Every time they bite you they take a little more of you away. But sooner or later, something wakes us up from the nightmare. At least we haven’t lost everything.
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BuBu
male, female, i dont think it matters, you just feel unwhole.
i think that part of why a relationship with a spath is so much more devestating that a regular old disastrous heartbreak is because you felt everything doubly, your side AND their side that they couldn’t feel themselves. its exhausting enough being an empath when the people you care for CAN feel their own feelings. i definitely felt like i was proceessing emotions for him too.
thats why i feel so empty and bored and exhausted without him. i’m trying to fill that space with better things, that i can be proud of myself for donig.