By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Nolarn, no I have never heard of Steve Harvey, but it sounds like a good read, especially for me, and I’ll put the book on my list. It’s fascinating to me how different people can bring out different sides of me, too. You enjoy your crush. It sounds like being around her makes you happy. I’m all for things that make people happy. You know, the girl I had the crush on so long ago in the meditation retreat was tall and somewhat masculine. I wonder if I was responding to her masculine side (I am very feminine).
LL, you sound very strong, honey. Your relationship with your therapist may be one of the most important relationships in your life. Choose wisely. I have to admit, when I saw that hypnotherapist, I thought to myself, “There is no way this young girl who looks like Jessica Alba in business clothes can help me.” But I gave her a chance. It was ultimately her presence, her insight, and her persistence in asking me about my FEELINGS that really sold me. I actually opened up some very vulnerable things in the first session and cried. I felt much better afterward. I can’t wait for the second session on Saturday. I’m going to work on my self-confidence. At some point I will have a talk with the neighbor boy, and I want to be 100% in my power when I do it. I also am considering entering a talent contest at work with a song I sang and played guitar on in my old band. I can sing the song if I’m feeling confident. If I’m not, I choke.
I got my hair done yesterday. Once again, it’s not the color I wanted, which is frustrating. But the gray is gone, and the cut is nice, and my confidence has improved by about 75%.
Well, I went off on a tangent again. ha ha
Star, I have read that book and it was awesome however it still does not protect you from the evil SPATH. Remember ladies spaths are not normal but that book was written to educate women on the NORMAL man and his wants, needs, how he thinks, etc…
So here is the COMIC RELIEF for the day. I work in the administrative office of a hospital with other admin people and doctors. It is fairly conservative. But we staff assistants like to goof around. I was standing outside the door of a few co-workers today. We were discussing Charlie Sheen. I was looking for the right label to pin on him – narcissist. As I was saying “he’s a …………” the smart ass lady in the office across the hall YELLED out “douche bag” to finish my sentence. No sooner did she say it than a very professional looking guy in a suit – probably a doctor – walked up to us and said, “I hope I’m not the one you are talking about.” So right on cue, I said, “Oh wow, what are the chances the person we are talking about is here? I’m so disgusted I have to leave the hallway!” (We pretended we had been talking about him.) Everyone was cracking up badly. Turns out the guy was looking for one of our docs for a meeting. But we had never seen him before. Good thing he had a sense of humor!
Thanks for making that distinction, farwronged. Spath behavior is so aberrant, it’s not like any games I’ve ever observed a man play.
Star-I bet you look great. We all need to work on our confidence. I am doing the same thing-working out to get buff and strong for future police duty. Plus I want small breasts. I am so tired of feeling like everyone is staring.
I am pretty feminine too. I feel sometimes like I’m kind of a strange woman. I look so girly but I feel so boyish in some ways, especially these hormones are behaving like a teenage boy. Steve Harvey is a comedian on TV and I didn’t know he wrote books until someone else recommended them to me. I am kind of enjoying myself. What is going on with this neighbor boy anyway right now?
Yes be careful.
yeah Star-the book doesn’t protect you from spaths but it does help with guys in general. I have such a hard time with all of them since I don’t know how to pick them. Even the one woman I was with before was a narcissist. That’s why this lady is making me happy to be around since she’s so normal. I just damn sure hope that it ends up with her wanting to get together. It would be so normal. I would love to be with a normal person.
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one of the things I appreciate about you most, is your depth.
You were already beautiful, cuz, well, i’ve seen you, but I imagine you be MORE so now….
There are so many things that I’m seeing now….and they put me further into the abyss. I need a good therapist, and I’m willing to do whatever it takes to have that………
But with what I’m discovering now, I don’t know that it matters.
I’m very depressed.
I’m beginning to see the depth to which last spath used me. The secrets he takes with him……
The lies I was told.
You’d think that being the OW would mean you’d assume that.
But it’s not so.
I’m beginning to wonder if I can recover from this.
I’m proud of you Star.
There are so many here I care for.
Any leap towards growth is something I enjoy reading.
Love you all…………..
LL
(((((LL))))))-You have to remember that I was OW too and you CAN get through this-OK? May 1st is the 2 year anniversary of my breakup with mine and I know now that I am truly totally fine. I threw out the bedspread this past weekend. I looked at it and said why the hell do I have this? I don’t like it enough to still have this reminder of someone I don’t care about, someone who treated me bad. I was prepared for bad feelings during this time cuz it was leading up to the end. I haven’t even been thinking about it. Eventually, you WILL get to this point!!
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thank you.
Hugs.
LL