By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
SKYLAR
I love what you wrote about what is tatooed on your forehead.
I wonder if most of us have something like that. Why do we run around trying to find people we have to save/rescue rather than somebody who is healthy???
my X threatened suicide to cause drama and chaos – it was his way of getting attention and manipulating people.
Hi OneJoy,
good advice to Tobecop, the whole part about danger just went over my head.
TobeCop,
One Joy is right, you are taking on a lot and your neighbor looked like a life raft to you so you reached out for it, but it was full of holes. Maybe you can find low cost counseling through a church? You shouldn’t have to deal with this alone and new friends are going to shy away from so much grief.
There are layers that need to be unpeeled in your life.
Superkid,
yes, I can actually see the tattoos on some people. It attracts me to them. They look wounded to me and I want to help.
Summer 2009, I was walking with my mom and I heard a lady calling her cat . I knew she was someone that had a wound and would understand my wound, I knew just by the way she looked and called her cat. I started to talk to her and we started to share our stories. She is borderline, she told me. The conversation lasted maybe 20-30 minutes. We kept walking and I never saw her again.
Stone Temple Pilots have a song, Vasoline. I think of it often.
one time a thing occured to me
what’s real, and what’s for sale?
blew a kiss and tried to take it home
it isn’t you, isn’t me
search for things that you can’t see
going blind, out of reach
somewhere in the vasoline
two times and it has rendered me
punch drunk and without bail
think I’d be safer all alone
flys in the vasoline we are
sometimes it blows my mind
keep getting stuck here all the time
it isn’t you, isn’t me
search for things that you can’t see
going blind, out of reach
somewhere in the vasoline
you’ll see the look and you’ll see the lies
you’ll eat the lies, and you will.
flys in the vasoline we are
sometimes it blows my mind
keep getting stuck here all the time
it isn’t you, isn’t me
search for things that you can’t see
going blind, out of reach
somewhere in the vasoline.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht672-wYelc
onestep-thanks I appreciate but I am ok. I am sorry that I gave her the ammo and I apologized to her for it but I can’t do anything about it now. I can’t take it back cuz it’s already out there. I am over my spath/narc and I reclaimed my life from him. The only on my plate right now is getting some money coming in so I’m not losing my apartment and living under a bridge. I had a REALLY REALLY bad day of Friday and experienced something totally outside of my character and something that I never felt before and it scared me. I’m NOT trying to rescue her from her situation and I am not expecting her to rescue me from mine. I don’t even know what to say anymore except I am sorry that the whole thing happened and I did NOT do it to cause DRAMA OR CHAOS or to get attention or manipulate. I’m just mad right now and I have the right to be mad.
2 cop,
WOW! I was feeling very concerned for you there for awhile! I’m so glad you saw this woman’s true colors or how she felt, or rather didn’t about you!
2 cop, i think therapy is a really good idea, you have A LOT going on and a lot of losses to deal with. If there was anything before that was leftover “ungrieved” or dealt with, these distractions will pop up for you again. Focus on yourself and how to get back on your feet and work through more stuff, learning from this experience too, in an effort to embrace the wonderful you that you are.
LL
LL-I’m glad that you’re here. Ya’ll gotta know that I don’t feel like I have leftover stuff. My job and now lack of one has been the source of misery for months. I am OVER my ex spath/narc. DONE, BY BYE, THE END. I don’t have residual issues. Right now, I am eating right, exercising, sleeping and gaining my confidence back and feel pretty awesome EXCEPT my ONLY problem is that I need a freakin job REALLY REALLY bad. That is my only problem in my life-except maybe I need to remember that I don’t need a relationship in my life cuz they seem to cause problems for me. ErinB had a good post to me early early this morning and I agree with her. I just a job and my little battery powered friend and I can get some cats and I can then focus on getting the heck back in the police academy where I belong. I had a REALLY REALLY bad day on Friday. It was out of character for me and I was feeling extraordinarily weak. Yesterday my confidence fell a few notches since MS bitchy poo decided to take over my life all day and show me her true colors. There were some things there before that I couldn’t see because I was blinded by my attraction to her. I think those were the things you were worried about. I know that she is NOT the type of person I want to be around. I saw with her in the beginning that she was attempting to play tug of war with me and I didn’t say anything about it here. It reminded me of the one other relationship that I had with a woman, who was a narcissist. That is why I proceeded with caution with her. I now know that was the best idea. She has many traits of that other woman from 2005 and they are not positive. Very very controlling. Very frigid and closed off. Disrespectful of me. I was with her doing errands all day yesterday and felt like I was four years old and as the day progressed I was more and more uncomfortable. When we went to dinner last night it pretty much sealed it for me. Total rudeness and disrespect. I’m mad cuz I felt like a worm at the end of the night. I saw her briefly today. I was out washing the truck and I heard her door close behind me. She walked by me and said hi and I said hi but tried not to make eye contact. She said I guess that hose feels good today huh. I shrugged my shoulders and said I don’t know-kinda, and that was it. I continued with what I was doing and I didn’t look up as she drove away. Things are gonna be awkward over here for awhile. I’m gonna have to try not to stay mad for too long and be nice to her though, so she doesn’t make trouble for me.
2becop- ‘I had a REALLY REALLY bad day of Friday and experienced something totally outside of my character and something that I never felt before and it scared me.’
and this is why I am concerned erin – when we have breaks or tears in our usual ways of being we should be concerned.
all the the risk of being insensitive AND wrong – I think you are dealing with a whole lot more than you are willing to admit to here and to yourself.
onestep-I don’t agree. What I am dealing with here is that I need a freakin job and my acute panic/anxiety attack was complete terror on Friday that I was going to be living under a bridge next month and not being able to put gas in my car or have food. That is how bad it is. That is my problem. That is what I’m dealing with.
Please pardon my re-post, as I got lost in the thread.
I have STILL not said anything to Jerkface.
Went to Myrtle Beach for vacation and on the way down, we were dodging tornadoes. I thought out loud to my mother, “I should send Jerkface an email just to let him know we are okay.” She said, no. Not to create a drama where there is none. That he would have no idea where we were, when, and not give him a clue.
Well, the next morning, after a 13 hour drive turned into a 20 hour drive, I got a text message from jerkface telling me he is now more worried because I did not respond to his email the night before and he is aware there were tornadoes through N & S Carolina.
ARGH!!!!!
Well here is the real kicker: about a year ago, Cat shared her story of her 4 year old telling her his (spath) dad leaves him in the car when he goes to the bank. So for months now I have been just waiting for my son to tell me what was going on (he is almost 3). He has been occasionally saying, “I come too?” when I park the car to go to the mall, restaurant, grocery store etc” But never said more. This past week he said it to my mother and I, and we said, “Of course. We would never leave you in the car.” (as I always say), then I asked, “who leaves you in the car?” and Jr. said, “Daddy does.” He then quickly followed it with the explanation that he was “just” getting milk.
Damn. I’d love to catch Jerkface in the act! That arsehole!!
(I just saw an episode of Lie to Me, where the woman’s daughter was taken from the car while she went in to buy diaper ointment!)
Any thoughts? Cat?
Dont send him a message no matter what. Let his dumb ass worry!