By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
FAD, I agree….DO NOT RESPOND TO ANYTHING…..he will make drama out of it all….no matter what you do,, so My vote is to COMMUNICATE ONLY THROUGH THE JOURNAL and ONLY About junior. NOTHING ELSE.
As for him leaving Junior in the car—-there are two ways about that. One is tell him what junior said and that you are sure he would NEVER DO THAT, or the other way is to follow him or get someone to follow him and video it, and then go to court with it.
I’m not sure which way is the best way to go…of course you do NOT want him doing it and I am with you I think he IS doing it which is putting your kid at risk, so you just have to figure out what you think is best, either “prevent” it by letting him know you know (but pretending you don’t believe junior) or you can “accuse” him which of course he will deny but the other option is to catch him and document with witnesses and video of him doing it…..and you could call the cops on the spot!
Whatever you do with this jerkface, he is going to continue to come up with stupid and dangerous things with your child and I wish I could tell you there was some way to stop him, but there’s not a lot of chances of that I don’t think. (((Hugs))) and God bless you and your son and keep you safe!
FightAnotherDay,
My ex husband was a spath, he did the same thing with our son – constantly putting him in danger.
I started my son in therapy at the age of 4. What four year old needs therapy? But it was the best thing I ever could have done. My son is now 18 (today) he’s still in therapy because he wants to be, is a well adjusted man. It was a rocky, rocky road.
I would tell you to never say anything bad about your son’s father to your son, your son will respect you for it.
Build awareness with your child just like you’re doing now.
Trust your gut. If you withhold him from one visitation you will not go to jail.
Most critically, disengage. Do not engage with your spath.
My story? I divorced my spath first husband when my son was 6 weeks old, I remarried a few years later, and my second husband took over all communication with my spath first husband. It actually helped a huge amount. The tension just went away. My spath coudn’t manipulate me, couldn’t get to me, and lost interest in abusing our son.
Maybe some ideas in here for you.
Superkid
I want to start my son in therapy, but his spath father says no.
My attorney says I can’t (really) put OUR son in therapy without his spath father’s consent as we have 50/50 legal custody.
I likened this to a domestic abuse victim telling her husband that she is going to a battered woman’s shelter.
I just want to scream!!!!!
nolarn2bcop – i am not a praying woman. but i will ‘make some wishes’ (it’s part of what Buddhists do when they want give to people) that you find some work very very soon, and that your anxiety comes down. I have been where you are; nothing has ever scared me as much or filled me with such anxiety.
FAD, I would find a way to make sure your son is put in therapy, even if it means going back to court….
That deal with the daddy leaving him alone in the car while he goes into the store might be your ticket to therapy….it would mean that you had to have someone follow him and film him until you got the proof…but whatever it takes.
I know you are TIRED of all this continual drama and chaos and worrying about your son….but it isn’t like you are going to get him a tattoo, I’d push for it whatever it takes….but YOU are the one who has to make the decision on how far you want to go with this. (((hugs))) and you know you are in my prayers.
Onestep-thanks. I am a praying woman and God and I have been up close and personal with each other during this whole thing. This is new to me having the faith that he is going to take care of it. I was watching the Color Purple recently because a quote from that movie came to me and it’s the title of a song. “God is tryin to tell you somethin”. This anxiety is raking me over the coals and I am being tested more than ever. I feel God is beating the shit out of me right now. I feel like if I just had a job, everything would be fine. I am over spath and it’s such a huge relief and I am starting to get my self esteem and confidence back. I am relieved about what happened with lady next door. It showed me that I can see through the BS and red flags that pop up. After what I went through with spath, no one gets to disrespect me like that. Maybe in her twisted way she does care a little bit but I don’t trust it. It is better to just back off from her as much as possible. I can be neighborly and be nice but I don’t even know if friendship is in the cards. I would have to see a difference in behavior. I see N behavior and I don’t like it. She is trying to get a university chancellor fired because he “harassed her”. I thought it may have been sexual or something. She finally told me the truth about it yesterday. They had a pretty big disagreement. She is very overbearing and intimidating. I saw her on youtube call out one of our senators and she is nothing nice. He called her on her behavior but he did it in front of other people. He lashed out and called her mean and nasty and intimidating. He went off on her. I now understand why he did it. She told me that he fucked with the wrong woman. I’m tellin ya-she ain’t right.
hi tri
you and i have the same issue..lol..
i broke the no contact too…and i was so mad at my self..and i also enjoyed the time i spend and more coufused than befor ..he tells me all this good stufs, making me feel like i am the spath
i am also moving…oh my gosh….
what do i do….it is so hard….
i hate my self for being so weak…
i love you allll
night gal
Nolarn,
Want to send me some of your strength right now? At least I’m fortunate in that I hardly ever see my neighbor. My front door looks out on his back patio but his blinds are always closed. I feel sorry for his cats who never even see any sunlight! His front door opens to a different direction than mine so I don’t see him coming and going. I’m grateful for these small things. And if I can avoid driving through his parking lot, I never have to know when he’s home or not home.
I had a hypnosis/acupuncture session the other day, and we focused on confidence. I really was feeling very confident all day yesterday. But then I happened to be on the dating site responding to an email early this morning. Somehow all these women’s profiles popped up, and I saw all these beautiful and confident young women on the site. I imagined that it is a playground for the neighbor who is very attractive and can get any woman he wants. I went right back into fear and abandonment. In the meantime I joined a different site so I can get off of that one. I am really liking the new site. Right away, I met a guy (not in person yet) who is from Peru and very different from the other guys. But he hardly speaks any English, and my Spanish is poor. It’s not unworkable. We have spoken on the phone a few times. He played his flute for me over the phone, and they we played together on flute and guitar (and me singing). It was so much fun. It would be great to do this in person. But last night it was a struggle to communicate. I was tired and he was speaking (Spanish) so quickly that there was a major language barrier, so I don’t know if we will ever meet. I’m learning Spanish very quickly, so a relationship with a Spanish-speaking person is not out of the question. He is a healer and a musician, and I feel really drawn to him – we have a lot in common. But then I started thinking about the neighbor this morning and my confidence sank.
I have an energy work session scheduled for today. I am now working on the core issue, which is abandonment, so hopefully I can get help with this. And I will continue with the hypnosis, too. I think it really helps. So it’s been up and down, but I’m determined to move things forward with my life. I don’t know if I have the confidence for dating a truly great man yet, but I think if I found the right person, it would be really great.
In the meantime, I have been studying Spanish, doing massages, and going to the gym this weekend, and getting ready for my trip to Costa Rica next week. Life keeps moving on. When I think of the guy I met in Costa Rica (who I may even possibly see again next week) I just have a warm feeling in my heart and wish him well. I found myself wishing he met a nice girl. So I think I’m getting over him. It was such an affair of the heart I had with him. This is very different from what I had with the neighbor, which is more like an affair of the adrenals.
Hi LL and Sky,
did you see my message posted on this thread at 9.13am (April 24th 2011).
Hope you both are doing well. Sky – I agree with you, we idealise them so much, that when they say we are bad, we really think we are bad. what schemers, Gray Rock is the only way out.
petite
Okay, update. The Peruvian guy just called me. We are meeting at a Peruvian restaurant tonight at 8:30. It is the first man I will meet in person from the dating site in probably a year or two and certainly the first one that I’m even slightly interested in. It was a real struggle trying to communicate about times and directions. ha ha At very least we can help each other with English/Spanish. I will keep you all posted. He is very handsome. He is originally Quechua Indian (and this is his primary language). He is dark skinned with long dark hair. He strikes me as someone who is a true romantic and only wants one woman.
There are a few other guys from the site (americans) who have also captured my attention, but for some reason I’m drawn to this guy. He is really different and very sweet. He laughs a lot on the phone with me. I always look for this when I talk to a guy. Does he laugh a lot? It’s a good sign. I think body language is 75% of communication anyway. For someone as verbose as me, it’s good for me to shut up once in a while and just take in a person’s presence.
And thus the continuing saga of my life post-sociopath continues……..