By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Star-I don’t have the strength I had yesterday. Unfortunately it’s going to go up and down I guess. You’re lucky you don’t have to see him coming and going. I see her coming and going all the time. I feel sad a little today because I am humiliated over what happened on Friday and Saturday. Today I don’t feel confident. Maybe it’ll get better later on in the day-after I workout. I have to go turn in paperwork for my part time job and find out when I can start. I also have to go turn in my application for the sheriffs office for the dispatcher position. I would really love to get that job-although I definitely would have to work two jobs cuz it doesn’t pay enough.
I am bothered this morning about why I let this woman upset me. Why should I care if she thinks less of me now? I guess I just built up the potential friendship too much in my head. I knew that it may never become a relationship but I need a good solid friend down here. I lost a lot friends when I lost the spath cuz they were connected to him. I guess I’m just disappointed. I want to feel my power again. I felt it so much more yesterday.
Star-BE CAREFUL! Future police officer says be careful!
Star – no one in my life made me laugh as much as the spath did. just sayin.
i see that this guy fits a romantic/ adventurous story in your head (i have one too) – so of course he is more attractive.
i know you will have your spathdar up. be careful.
(man, lovefraud posters are cautious!)
Onejoy, I am having a hard time posting on the other thread, but I wanted to respond and tell you I’m sorry that your old freind dissapointed you. Monologues can be such an energy drain. We tend to forget who folks are and think they will magically morph into different people. But you have made real progress. It didn’t take you long to realize it wasn’t going to work for you. Good job!
Hey, Hens. I am posting here because that thread won’t let me post.
Pinky-doodleis doing great. He loves the spring weather and spends most of his time outside. 🙁 So I dn’t see as much of him these days. But he’s still very sweet and comes when I call him, and will sit with me on the porch. He follows me around like a puppy dog, and has taken to following me to the community garden that is just down the stree. It worrys me though because there is a cross street and I’m afraid he’ll get hit by a car.
So now, if I’m going anywhere,(except to work) I have to pick him up and put him in the house.
I am enjoying my yard and putting in flowers. Bright splashes of color alternating up my stairs to the porch. I am going to buy some jute and make some macrame plant hangers. I also have plans to buy some concrete and make some stepping stones. I will then do some mosaic work on them, using stones, shells,beads, broken dishes, etc.
I am glad to hear you had a nice Easter. We are blessed to have our familys, aren’t we?
Pet the weiners for me.
ha ha Thanks for the words of caution. I am meeting him at a public place, and tengo cuidado, ne se preocupes. 🙂 Anyway, I won’t understand half of what he says so I can look into his eyes and see if I see a beady stare. ha ha (though the spath didn’t have one of those). Nolarn, if he turns out to be a spath, will you come and beat him up for me?
One joy, my spath never made me laugh. He only made me cry. Anyway, at least I know they can’t target me for money cause I don’t have any. They can only target me for sex, and that won’t be forthcoming any time in the near future. There’s really not much else I have to offer to a spath.
Nolarn,
I know what you mean. It’s easier said than done not to let someone else affect how you feel about yourself, especially when they live next door. My neighbor also humiliated me, even though for all I know I hurt him too. I will never really know what happened with him. At least you know what’s up with yours. I will say that hypnosis does really help, but you need a steady flow of it to keep the confidence levels high. Otherwise, the old fear returns. it’s amazing to me to see how much I’ve lived my life in fear and avoidance of being hurt.
FightAnotherDay
Wow you’re bringing back memories. Yes, the spath father of my son also initially refused to allow my four year old son to get therapy. It depends how your divorce degree is worded. I found a way out of it by going to my son’s pediatrian, explaining what was going on, having her make a recommendation for therapy. So, to NOT get him therapy would have been actions “contrary to medical advice”.
In doing so, the spath father of my son HAD to allow my son to go to therapy, or, he could have paid for a second opinion (which he couldn’t afford to do).
I also “gave in” by letting the spath “select” the therapist. That way he felt like he had some power or control over the process.
You know what? At one point I took my spath to court to rewrite the joint parenting agreement because there were so many bullshit issues like this coming up. I paid over $100,000 to get a new JPA done. The JPA is OUTSTANDING, if I do say so myself, and anticipates almost any kind of bullshit by the offending spath parent. Lots of “if” and “then” statements built in. I should post it up on here so everybody who wants a very well written, and well anticipated JPA can have it. It cost me a fortune. But it worked.
Superkid10
Has anybody read “COLD BLOODED KINDNESS”?
Hi, Nightgal,
Looking back on breaking No Contact helps me see things more clearly. Maybe you can dissect things a bit, and learn from this experience.
Having had a break from him and using LF to gain wisdom and strength, I saw things differently when with him this time. Yes, we had a blast. But I was able to see the mirroring of me that he does, the chameleon behavior he uses to ingratiate himself with me.
Am I mad at myself? Not so much now. Do I miss him? Yes, more so. As folks have said here, that intermittent reinforcement makes the break harder to make.
But I am beginning to see him as the limited, troubled soul that he is…and I do NOT feel the need to fix him anymore. He has no interest in doing so, why should I? Besides, their ain’t no fixing a psychopath, especially one who is drug- and sex-addicted.
So I enjoyed my time with him yet am busily packing for my trip out west on Friday. He knows I am leaving but it seems to have had the opposite effect of what folks here had predicted: he is trying to make the break with me before I do it with him. He is distancing himself from me, which I guess safeguards his ego. Who knows?
If he can walk away thinking this was his idea, all the better.
I’m sure he has his next victim all lined up. He usually does.
Nightgal? If you can gain some comfort from knowing that he is the one who loses in losing you, it might help you to manage this acute phase of loss better.
Dear Superkid,
Send a copy of it to Donna and let her use it in an article……that would be WONDERFUL for those mothers and fathers here who need that kind of specific help.
That way the information will be in its own article for reference and not get buried in a thread.