By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Well, Ana, I guess there is SOME of Lily in me, or me in Lily. LOL Speaking of that, where is AussieGirl? She hasn’t been around much lately and I think she is definitely Lily material. And EB as well. I think actually there are a lot of women here who are like Lily Smith in the book. We do what we have to do to survive, and try to do what we think is right, and you don’t have to ride half broke horses to do that, but if that’s what it takes to survive, then you do.
It really was a great read!
Oxy,
Yes, lots of women here with her qualities. Just one last thing: when the women from Brooklyn came to where she was and she crashed the car! But, they where yelling: Stop duh car….lol…. Ya have to know how to crash!
ROTFLMAO Yea, you do have to know how to crash! I’ve had plenty of practice crashing, now I am ready to stop crashing!
Just realized my cat had escaped the house and been outside most of the day in the terrible rain storm….went to the back door and she was on the deck, WETTTTTTT and ready to come inside. Our outside tom cat probably wouldn’t let her off the porch and she was scared. So I hope she has figured out that being outside isn’t as much fun as she thought it would be. LOL At least she is inside and safe and drying off now.
Superkid
Thank you for the advice!
…and I agree, you should share your JPA, there is SO much stuff that I didn’t even think about, AND a few things that were removed by his attorney (as I have mentioned). I think That would help a lot of us here.
Thank you again. It is great to hear from someone with such a similar situation.
FAD
I have not responded to th sociopath..that defrauded me out of my business of 21 years…a home that I had of 10 years. He had me sign a promissory note years ago for 15k to allegedlly paqy off a tax bill. He changed the note to 150K revolving line of credit. Having gained my trust..using my 4 kids…he had several “companies” all used for fraud including small business consultant where he “ran” my business…but washed money he stole from others in my accounts and made it look like he was lending me the money. Anyay it has been over a year since we spoke and via the courts is making my life hell..Last night I was curled up in a ball…just not seeing that there will ever be peace in my life and I have 4 kids to worry about. I am being stalked…nobody cares…my kids are suffering…nobody is addressing my false promissory note ( a judge found it fraudulent) but he took it to another court and I dont have anymore money to fight…Im even on welfare and he is writing to them to stop that…calling my enemies to testify about me..harrassing the few friends I have left with supeonas…all I can say is HELP! I am helpless against his evil…the AG of mass doesnt think this is big enough to pursue despite other victims that have come forward which totals over a million dollars.This story has more legs than a millapede and so many twists and turns that its almost impossible to believe…where does one go from here…I have PTSD to say the least and take painkillers to not feel anything but that doesnt even help..Im trying to keep it together for the kids…but now I am losing it. I was such a happy good person now I am an empty bag of misery..I cant imagine ever being happy again and I am sure I could never have a relationship again….Im breathing but dead. I cant go to the hospital because I have nobody to take care of my children…my mom is a narcisist and cares only about her 3 dogs that she told me gives her unconditional love..Are you SH!@.......#$$%ing me?? Where can one go from here?
(((((Bopeep))))) I am so sorry you are being put through the ringer. The only advise I have for you is to say you sound very depressed. (Who wouldn’t be?) I think you should start by getting some help for that. There are some very good meds that can help, if you decide to go that route.
I have no experience in the courts, so can’t offer advise there.
Hopefully EB and/or Oxy will see your post soon, and get back to you. They are the ones to talk to about that. I hope you get some encouragement and start to feel better, soon.
Hi Sky and LL,
yes I have been NC with the jerk since 3+weeks. last night he sent a email saying – “I hope you are well and telling me about some conference”. I replied ” I am OK and did not talk about anything related to the conference. no excitement or interest shown whatsoever. Gray Rock, Sky, I remember.
Hi LL,
no message from you. How are you. when are you starting classes at school. you sound much better, are you planning to take up some part-time job for a while. you write and advice so well, and you have an excellent vocabulary. I like your posts and learn so much from you.
thanks for all your advice, especialy at the time when I was in big time denial.
petite
Petitie,
I’m sorry I missed your post. I’m glad you’re maintaining your NC! Good for you! How are you feeling about it now?
No school or work for right now. I’m on assistance until my symptoms subside. I’m looking at different options with my schooling though. I want to go back and miss it now. That’s a good sign.
Thanks for your kind words Petitie. I’m glad you felt I could help out.
LL
Excellent work Petite,
It’s good practice too for all the other spaths what we will meet in the world. They are everywhere!
So once we practice gray rock , we become stronger and have more energy to try other strategies and do more tests on ourselves, to learn to set boundaries and watch for that successful outcome. Each successful outcome makes us more brave and sure of ourselves.
BoPeep;
To fight a spath and expose him for what he is…..you MUST be strong!!!!
First off…..STOP with the painkillers…..you’re setting yourself up for big troubles there.
Get yourself together and find your adamant. WIthout it, you won’t have the mojo to fight.
Make a decision and visualize it….and then…..go full speed ahead for it.
If you have no money for attorney, start your own legal fight. You don’t have much choice.
You must be strong, stand up for what is right and geterdone!!!!
If we lay down and muddle through the legal crap……what’s the point? Give it your BEST fight. But you must be sober to do what is required.
Do what you must do….drag your ass to a counselor, get off the drugs and find your adamant girl.
Get on the internet and start researching how to proceed through the courts…..pro se. It’s possible, not optimal….but certainly possible.
Document EVERYTHING, past and present, do your own PI work……and nail his ass in court!
It CAN be done, YOU must decide to do it or not.
Good luck.