By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Bopeep,
I am sorry that you are hurting so much right now, and although things may seem very dark, please believe me when I say that the light does come – maybe only a little bit at a time but it does.
I’m not much good at this, I guess I find it much easier to take advice than to give it, but these are just some thoughts.
Have you tried to contact a legal aid agency in your state? I’m told that they provide free or reduced cost services to people who need legal help and cannot afford it. Another option may be a free lawyer program if your state has one.
Also, you said that you are taking painkillers to not feel anything – I think that depending on what drug it is that you are taking, there is a possibility that this could be adding to the depression you seem to be feeling. You said that you can’t go to the hospital, but can you call your primary care MD and explain what you are feeling – maybe something else could be prescribed that could help you to feel better?? I know that I had similiar feelings not so very long ago, and my MD put me on an antidepressant until I could see a therapist, and taking this medication did help a lot.
I hope something I’ve said here gives you a spark of hope and help in some small way. God Bless (((Hug)))
bopeep,
I opened up a joint bank account with my spath (years ago), and he blew through all of my money, also cashed in stocks (he had a friend who is an insurance agent/financial manager who held my stocks) that I had. He is the ultimate a__hole. I’ve gotten to the point where I PRAY for protection (specifically asking for angels to protect me and my children) from evil. Talk to God, telling Him what you need in the here-and-now. Sometimes it gets down to that’s all we have left – prayer. My prayer is that God would give you (and your children) His peace (in your whole person) to prevail, moving forward day-to-day, providing for your every need. I feel your pain, wishing that I could ease it somehow. What happened to you is wrong and unfair – you don’t deserve such treatment by the low-life ex-spath.
Your ex sounds more devious and sinister than my spath. What I’ve read that has been helpful (in getting myself more peaceful, hopeful, and balanced) is the Bible and The Power of Positive Thinking, by Norman Vincent Peale. You can overcome the b.s. that the ex-spath is trying to pull. I’m rooting for you.
Dear Bopeep,
Get to a physician immediately— do not take any more pain killers, it will kill you—it will compound the problem, and avoid any booze or anything else in that line.
Get assessed for some antidepressant medications there are some that are reasonably priced and work well, it takes TIME for them to work, they are NOT “tranqualizers” that take away the pain.
Unfortunately, you must feel the pain, feel the anger, feel the frustration and then ACT on stopping it, but AVOIDING IT IS SUICIDE/.
It is like you are trapped inside a ring of fire and the ONLY WAY YOU CAN SAVE YOURSELF IS TO RUN OUT THROUGH THE FLAMES. You will get scorched but if you stay where you are and keep on doing what you are doing you will “burn to death” where you stand.
You can only get validation is you make that validation yourself it seems, the law isn’t going to be “helpful” and that in iteslf is depressing that no one seems to care.
Not having a suppoort system from your “mother” is just part of the emotional rape we experience, my “mother” Is no longer my “mother” but my EGG DONOR because a “mother” loves and nurtures her child, mine abuses me, or would if I was not no contact with her.
Cut the people out of your life who are sucking your energy and save your energy for yourself and your healing. Reach out to the people who are interested in helping you, educate yourself and there is a lot of educational material here as well. YOU CAN DO IT! (((HUGS))) AND MY PRAYERS FOR YOUR HEALING AND STRENGTH!
Thank you all for the advice…I have been on this site for over a year now and it has been my salvation! I was caught in this devils web and had to be ready to lose evrything to get away and I did…I was ok with that but this satanic being will not let me be. He has all the knowledge of law wwith his lawbooks and totally knows how to manipulate the system and Oxy…you are so right…especially in massachusettes..they dont get a clue about hat a sociopath is..even if I had 10 million dollars to bring this pig to justice..he knows how to deplete it fast and still manage to harrass me ithin the limits…even outside the limits but no repercussion to his actions..and Im alays end up on the defense! My doctor gave me antidepressants but they didnt ork..thats hy I have been taking vicodan…I know its not right but it seems to help me not feel helpless..I really dont drink alcohol thank god..I do know that God is with me but this has been dragging on for way to long. He put a lien on my hole past present and future..including..get this..any rights to books or movie deals related to this situation..friends have run because he involves them ith supeonas and its just too much for them..the courts are not really looking at the depth of this situation…the secretary of state threatened a cease and decist..6 months ago on his “fake” businesses..but still nothing..I kno you all have horror stories as well and god bless us all…its just hard to ake up ith the notion of whats he gonna do to me today..and the paranoia I have for my childrens safety wears me down…Thank you all for the great advice an I will try to focus and pray even harder…Bless you and strength hugs and love for all of us….
Dear Bopeep,
I know your trauma is intense, and the frustration….but let me again say, just trying one antidepressant and it “not working” and then going on to vicodin is NOT the answer….get to a MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDER not just your family doctor, and get another antidepressant and some counseling. Getting hooked on vicodin is sort of like swatting a fly with a nuclear bomb…..believe me please.
God bless.
Oxy… I do know that and I will seek mental health counseling…denial is not makng it better..thanks again…
(((((((((((( bopeep ))))))))))))))))))
OMG! I read this stuff and i just want to scream. I can’t believe it. It doesn’t mean I don’t believe you, but this is absolute insanity here!
You’ve been given some great advice. I agree with ALL of it, HOWEVER, two things her:
Giving advice is a hell of a lot easier than taking it and making it work for yourself when you’re in fetal position.
Having said that, there is more here than meets the eye.
You’re taking the vicodin to get out of pain, not just physical pain but emotional pain to FUNCTION. EL NO BUENO!!!!
While getting “mental health counseling” seek out a Domestic Violence Women’s shelter or a women’s services near you. They are EVERYWHERE. They have a NATIONAL and statewide crisis line! CALL IT. They are THERE FOR YOU. They can be your biggest advocates against this bastard and what he’s doing to you…..
I know this will sound harsh and I don’t mean it too (I’m still there in many ways too), but you have GOT to let go of this man’s power in your life!! YOU MUST!!! DO NOT BELIEVE he has you by the balls and that you can do NOTHING about his obvious intent to DESTROY YOU. You have four children?
Get up OFF the floor, bopeep. Don’t GIVE this man another SECOND of your power. FIGHT HIM with all that is in you. Use ALL that is available to do it. Domestic violence counselors, services, shelters, crisis lines can refer you to attorney’s who will help you fight PRO BONO.
This isn’t just about you. If you continue to give ALL yoyr power to him, you’re also giving it of your children by proxy!
DON’T. STOP. THINK. GET CLEAR. You dont have to sit around and wait for an antidepressant to work to get help with the rest NOW.
That’s what DV is there for. Get into a group. DRAG yourself there. You will find that there are women just like you who have been through that and MORE.
Find whatever strength, however small, is left and TAKE HIS POWER AWAY.
You’re literally allowing yourself to DIE bopeep because you’re believing you can do NOTHING against this asshole.
IT IS NOT TRUE!!! IT IS NOT TRUE!
BELIEVE IN YOURSELF!
Now get up off the floor. Tend to those beautiful children of yours. Call a DV line if you have to, to make it until you get the assistance that you need in every other way.
DO NOT let this man have another SECOND Of your power. NOT ONE.
Please keep posting. THere are many here who care.
LL
bopeep,
I thought about you last night, concerned about you. What lesson learned (and the other posters) said is true, take care of yourself – don’t give this man another inch of your mental health. Get medical help, do whatever you can to help yourself get stabilized. Do small things (that you enjoy) each day, letting yourself experience more positive things in your daily life (the damage is already done), getting better in increments. The ex does not have to have power and control over you (he can threaten all he wants – he’s an annoying bully, making noise). Now is the time to focus on yourself and your children, hard as it might be. You are weakened (who wouldn’t be – you’ve been through hell), needing to take time to rest, recovering your strength and power in time. Think of your ex as a puff of smoke.
Bopeep,
I am in Mass also. Which part of MA are you in?
Hi everyone! Been a while since I posted, but I wanted to just let you all know I catastrophically FAILED no contact! But it makes me laugh.
I sent a Facebook message to his new boyfriend, everyone in his life, and everyone in his boyfriend’s life (including family). I used a fake profile (with a picture with his creepy stare) and sent the long letter out to EVERYONE all at once. It began: “I am a sociopath.”
It then goes on for paragraphs explaining how his mind works, how he manipulates others, and how he intentionally drives them insane and then blames them for it. The love-bombing, the pathological lying, the obsession, the trauma bond, etc.
He’ll never get away with it again 🙂 I know it goes against every bit of good advice this site has to offer, but I’m glad I did it. At first I remember hating the boy he cheated on and replaced me with. Then I realized that guy is just his next victim and was spoon-fed the same BS as me: perfect, flawless, better than all of my crazy exes, soul mates, move in together, we never fight, etc.
So instead of letting someone else be driven to the brink of insanity and wanting to kill themselves, I gave out a little warning. Even if he doesn’t buy it (which I’m sure he won’t — I never would have when I was so deeply in love), at least his friends & family will know the truth and be there for him when everything comes crashing down. He won’t have to be stuck in a state of confusion and anxiety and depression for months, like I was.
And I know the sociopath is worried because, for once in his life, he didn’t send me a nasty, harassing message 🙂 Chaos and publicity is not what he wanted… They work much better under the radar. Not anymore 😀