By Ox Drover
One of the themes that seems to run throughout the stories of many of, if not most of, the people who have had experiences with psychopaths is that we have either had repeated episodes of being abused by the same psychopath, even after we saw their dishonesty, or had episodes of being sucked into the webs of multiple psychopaths. Or, we have both of these—multiple episodes with multiple psychopaths.
Most of the people I have known who were formerly victims of psychopaths are not stupid. In fact, some of the smartest, most accomplished people I know are former victims, and have been repeatedly victimized by one psychopath after finding out that this person was dishonest and abusive. Somehow, they kept on going back to the relationship, even after multiple attempts to disengage from the abuser. Why? Why does a person who is smart, accomplished, and otherwise successful in life and business keep repeating the same behavior that allows them to be hurt?
There is an often-used quote, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” It seems by this definition that the victims of psychopaths are “insane,” because we keep on trying to have a relationship with someone who is repeatedly abusive. There must be some reason that otherwise smart and successful people keep repeating the behavior that is unsuccessful in its outcome. There must be some common thread among victims and former victims that makes us susceptible to frequently returning to an unsuccessful and painful relationship.
Here’s a little story that may contain what may be a grain of truth that might point us toward the answer to the question of. “Why?”
The Chief and the Snake
Once upon a time there was a very wise and kind Indian chief. One day as the chief was walking through the forest, he came upon a rattlesnake in the path. He stopped and started to go around the snake, not wanting to hurt it, but not wanting to be bitten either.
As the chief started to pass around the snake, the snake spoke to him (not an unusual thing in those days) and said, “Chief, please have mercy on me, my wife and family are on the other side of yonder river, and I can’t swim, and I can’t get to them. Won’t you please pick me up and carry me across the river?”
The chief looked at the snake and laughed a bit and said, “Why, if I tried to pick you up you would bite me and I would die. I am sad that you have a problem but I must not be bitten, or I would die and my own children would starve because there would be no strong man with a bow to hunt brother deer to provide meat to my little ones. Though my heart feels sad for you, no, I must refuse to pick you up.”
The snake then spoke to the chief saying, “But such a brave man as you should not be afraid of such a small snake as I, and I promise from the bottom of my heart that I would never harm you if you were to help me across yon river. I am so afraid that if I am not able to get across, my wife and children will perish. Please help me in my hour of need.”
The chief looked at the snake and his heart was sad because he knew what it was like to have one’s children without food. His heart took pity on the snake, and he agreed to take the snake across the river, if the snake would agree not to bite him.
The chief reached out to pick up the snake and held him high over his head as he waded the swift and cold waters of the river. About half way across the river when the chief was doing his best to protect the snake from the cold waters, the snake reached down and bit him on the neck, sinking his poison fangs deep into the chief’s blood stream.
The chief was surprised and said to the snake, “Brother Snake, why did you bite me, now I will die and you will drown as well. You promised on your honor not to bite me if I would have mercy on you and help you, now we shall both die and our children starve. You promised me.”
The snake replied, “Ah yes, I promised, but you knew what I was when you picked me up,” as they both sank under the swirling cold water of the river.
What we have in common with the chief
What caused the chief to reach out and pick up a snake that he knew was poisonous, that he knew had the power to harm him, and that if he was wrong in making this decision to pick up the snake, and the snake did bite him, that his own children would suffer because of his decision?
Empathy is what the chief had, empathy for the children of the snake. Because the chief loved his own children, he assumed that the snake must also love its children. Just as the chief would do what was best for his children, he empathized that the snake would also do what was best. Since the chief knew that he would never do anything deliberately to cause consequences for his children, he did not see that the snake would deliberately do something that would cause problems for his own offspring.
Thinking that others have the same motivations that we have can get us into the same problems that the chief got into. The chief wanted to help the snake. He felt pity for the snake. He knew that he would not want someone to refuse to help him if it meant that he would die and his children would go hungry, so it never dawned on him that the snake would be willing to make a decision to do a deed that would insure that the snake-children would go hungry.
The chief’s empathy and his thinking that others had the same empathy, the same motivation for their behavior, and no reason to hurt another, even at the cost of hurting themselves or their near and dear, caused him to want to believe the snake’s promise not to bite.
The snake, however, was right. The chief knew what he was when he picked him up. When we allow ourselves to believe the promises of people who have proven that they are dishonest, we open ourselves to be repeatedly injured or even killed. When someone shows you what they are, believe your eyes. Believe what you see, not what you hear.
No Contact
“No contact” is the commonly accepted “treatment” for any abusive relationship. This means that only contact that is required by law (such as meeting that person in a courtroom due to a law uit) or the minimum amount of contact required by law to co-parent with such a person, is the only interaction between you and your former abuser. No contact allows the injuries to cease, and keeps you safe from new and repeated injuries from the abuser.
“No contact” also includes not stalking the person’s Facebook page or other social media. It means blocking or deleting any text messages, phone calls, e-mails or any other form of communication, including having others tell you what the former abuser is “up to.” Refusing to engage in tale carrying, gossip, or drama involved with the former abuser is also essential. If you must speak about the relationship, do it ONLY with a trusted friend or family member who sees that the relationship was/is abusive, and with assurances that the person will keep your information in absolute confidence. This process can be likened to “not renting them space in your head,” which includes wondering if they have a new relationship, and if they are making this new person happy o,r if they will change for this new person, or wondering if you were wrong about what they are.
You know what they are now, so don’t pick them up. NO CONTACT WORKS.
Dear Won’t be fooled again,
Please read what I wrote above to BoPeep…..and focus on healing yourself. I know it is difficult to see your sister in the shape she is in, but you cannot rescue her, you cannot undo what he did, you can only take care of and heal yourself. I realize your anger is JUSTIFIED….and that justifiable anger is just, but we must not let it eat at us and embitter our souls or THEY WIN. We must find meaning in the chaos and suffering that we and others have gone through.
I found a great deal of meaning in the book by Dr. Viktor Frankl which he wrote after getting out of the Nazi prison camps called “Man’s search for meaning” and out of the book “the hiding place” by Carrie ten Boom, a Dutch lady who was put in the Nazi camps for hiding Jews in her home. Both of these people suffered unspeakable horrors at the hands of the WORST psychopaths modern society has known, the Nazis, and yet they both came out better, kinder, stronger people because of it. WE CAN TOO…we must in order to make life worthwhile, even when there is EVIL in the world, there is also good. We need to become part of that good, the best revenge is a good life. God bless you in your journey (Hugs)
Thanks one/joy and Ox Drover. Lots to think about
Wow
These last few days have really sucked for me. I’m 18 days no contact, probably withdrawl symptoms, it’s so crazy. I know he’s a sociopath, I know I grieve the guy I hoped he would be, not the guy who he is. But that doesn’t make it hurt any less.
Superkid10
Sk,
You have humor, even while in pain. “Wow, these last few days have really sucked for me”. Lol! I hear ya chica and with a humorous understatment for sure.
Congratulations on your eighteen days, though SK.
It’s hard. And it will probably get worse before it gets better. i’m five months out now and still have some major withdrawals, just hoping to turn a corner soon.
Hang in there.
LL
SK & LL ~ Kudos to both of you for remaining NC. You can surely get through it. Each day should put you just a little closer to where you need to be… Happy and Healthy and fully functioning.
Hugs and blessings to both of you. 🙂
Superkid,
You’re doing great. Keep studying and learning the signs and the red flags. The picture comes into focus as you step back. It’s a big picture and it becomes clearer with the distance of time. Then you will see how all his pathologies fit together. Eventually you will see how you ended up in that pathological picture, but you will be so far from it, that it will seem like a bad dream.
Hi Skylar and LL,
Sky – I agree, by being far fromthem, we can see how dysfunctional they are and how vulnerable we were and let down our guard so easily, we got drawn into their “fantasy” world within days and then remained “stuck”
I have been NC for one month, except one email which he sent me, to which I replied in a gray rock manner and then no more.
All the newcomers here- believe all the advice you get here – NC is so healing. I feel so strong and so much in conrol of myself. No more waking up thinking – is he happy or not, what next should I do to make him happy – forget it.
I have better things to do in my day.
LL – you are also doing well. I agree with Hens, you should take up some small part time jobs, it will make you feel better. your posts as always are so encouraging for me. thanks for being there – when I was at my lowest point with the jerk.
petite
Petite!
so nice to hear from you. it’s wonderful how you have overcome the addiction. You are a testament to Donna’s website and to Oxy too because she brought you here and now you are freeeeeeee from the spath.
((hugs))
Hi Sky,
yes, thanks to Donna for this website. she saved one more woman in a part of the world far away from USA. that is how powerful the advice can be from the people who have gone thru the nightmare with a Narc or Spath.
thanks to Oxy too for asking me to come here and get all the hammering and support I needed to come out of my denial.
Sky, LL and other posters here – you all also played a pivotal role in my ongoing recovery. finding you here at all times when I was weeping and curling up with knots in my stomach was such a relief.
The posters here may not be aware how much difference they make in the life of others by coming up honestly with their ghastly stories,
thank you all so much.
I do want to meet you and Sky sometime soon.
petite
I want to second petite!
I went from wanting to kill myself in September and sending him gifts & apologies after he cheated on me & threw me away… to NOW! Finally living for myself, not trying to please him. His poison took so long to leave me, but it is finally gone.
Having gone on some dates and witnessing other relationships, I’m finally starting to see how DEMENTED he truly was. With some comparison, his flaws/strategies become so much more insane. Never again will I meet a man who calls me his soul mate/perfect/flawless/we never fight/you’re better than my evil crazy exes, all within a week. Never again. I will meet a good man who communicates with compassion and empathy. I would rather have a civil argument every day than “never fight” in order to maintain his invented image of perfection (despite knowing he’s lying and cheating). Real couples communicate and love each other — it’s not about control and image.
In healthy relationships, both partners have an equal say. Both of their opinions matter. It is not dominated by one person hinting that if you bring any of their flaws to the forefront, they will abandon you.
This is how cults and lunatics draw people into their grasp. Flatter them and appeal to the natural human love of kindness, and then threaten them with expulsion. It’s brainwashing, pure and simple.